first of all at birth Brolys power wasn't 12,000 it was 10,000, and Gokus power wasn't 2 it was 10(I think).
and second i know there was something that made me know that Broly teleported but i can't remmember.

So in order for me to prove what i say is the truth i have to watch all of Brolys movies so i will.(luckly i have all DBZ episodes, movies and specials on my computer).

and plus Goku never fought with Broly on SSJ3 or SSJ4, so if he did he would've kick his ass easly.



looks like you didn't watch the scond movie with Broly.

OH NO YOU DIDN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*snap snap snap*

It was 2! Broly didn't teleport he shielded him and his father when planet vegeta exploded. Do the math it was a 11,998 diffrence in power!
Goku at ssj3 wouldn't win because he would get tired from being in that state for a long time.Plus for goku to be in ssj4 he would need a moon. Broly would over power him.

You forget the fact that one can eventually become stronger than the other. Granted, Broly has an endless supply of power, but the fact remains is that he's dead now. You don't just get killed if you're the strongest in the universe (doesn't make sense).

Not to get geeky or anything, but the math is pretty easy, it took one punch from Goku to beat Broly, with only the help of borrowed energy from his friends, and Vegeta. I'm pretty sure if Goku were SSJ3, let alone a SSJ2.. he could beat Broly without the extra help of everyone else. The dead giveaway is that it only took the power of regular Super Saiyans to defeat/kill Broly.

MazenXD is right, Goku's Power Lv. was only 10 at birth, while Broly's was 10,000 at birth.

Have you ever heard of a period? Does the phrase "run-on sentence" mean anything to you?

NICE 1 SSJJASON, thanks for that!

First of all, i'm talking about the DBZ universe, not the GT one, when someone refers to a universe it usually implies those dead or alive!

OK i heard someone say that it only took a punch to kill brolly, TRUE! It was the Combined energey of all the saiyans and piccolo too.
Do you know how he died? Kakarot reopened Brolly's old wound from when he was ordered to be executed, he was stabbed in the belly! Thats how defeated him the first time round!

Plus you say it only too gohan and goten to defeat broly also true!
Lets do the math:

Goten contributed a kame hame ha

Gohan did did too

Although kakarot might not have physically been there he did contribute a kame hame ha never the less

Now it makes no sense that gohan would'nt fight brolly in SSJ2 from so let's for arguments sake say he was fighting at and asceded SSJ level which is SSJ1.5
Wee can make this measurement when ascened saiyans trunks and goten fuse to fight hirudigon and form an SSJ 3 gotenks (1.5 + 1.5 = SSJ3)

So lets do the math

Gohans Kame hame ha contributed @ ascended saiyan level SSJ 1.5

Goten Kame hame ha contributed @ ascended saiyan level SSJ 1.5

Kakarot Kame hame ha contributed @ ascended saiyan level SSJ 1.5

now adding all that up we get the equivilant of an SSJ Level of 4.5!

Also notice how long they were charging thier kame hame ha's also?

Plus brolly's fighting after being in a coma for who kows how many years, and has still not recovered from his last battle, imagine what he would have done if he FULLY healed, because remember saiyans grow stronger after every battle. Now brolly would have been even more stronger because he nearly died!!!!!!!!

Plus you guy's I'm talking potentially the strongest too, i think that Brolly would have made a rally cool good guy too man, what you think?

I dont know why you refer to him as kakarot, it just sounds really really gay.

LMAO, i don't know either, i feel like i have to pronounce his original name because it sort of resembles his saiyan heritage!
And I'm all about the roots!
Grass roots, family root's, but not root beer. You get the picture!

Lol?

I have been observing this debate for the strongest character in all of the DBZ universe. Came across some funny points, petitions, and even videos. Interested in this argument I had to dig back to my roots, I was a huge fan of the original Dragon Ball, and when it evolved into Dragon Ball Z. So I did my homework and have came up with a conclusion. Despite Broly's insane power level and abilities, I'd have to say Goku is the strongest. Not only being the main character which makes the viewer believe he might be the strongest there is. But he's got the spirit, notice he's always fighting for the greater good (obviously) and that usually comes with extra power from past people that have fallen. (Such as in the Broly fight.) This re occurs a few times I think. Not only that but, if Goku could hold SSJ4 for an extended period of time he could take on Broly and be tested a little. (I know thats lacking a lot of info, but I just wanted to state my view.)

hhmmmm, you do draw upon a might fine point there floydd!
But the only reason the saiyan's ascend beyond their known limit's (saiyan to super saiyan) is because of the ability to channel thier rage. This is what brolly had too much of, plus notice how hard goku has work into transforming into SSJ3, but Brolly's transformation was being held back, it's almost seems as if he could'nt contain it.
I think potentially if Brolly had recovered from another near death battle and was also tested and also channeled his rage he would also ascend!

Do you lot think vegeta's royal blood had any value, i mean does it mean that he also has a hidden power, because his father once said he came from a strong blood line, of a legendary super saiyan?

Well he might have some kind of hidden power. I think you might be unto something with that Royal Blood idea. Maybe if Vageta trained with King Kai he might be able to tap into his hidden powers. After all if his great great great Grandfather was some kind of amazingly powerful legendary super saiyan, there needs to be at least some excess power left over for him.

I wrekon Goku would have made a crazy cool bad guy, what you think?
Lets say if he was a bad guy and destroyed earth like he was suppose to, I think all his confrontations with all these bad guy's would have been much crazier and bloodier, plus he might have been united with his brothers.
I actual fact Turles, Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, (I'm sure i've missed some other saiyans) would have all been re-united again, and perhaps even a rebirth of the entire Saiyan race, and even perhaps they all became supersaiyans!
What a crazy thing all that would be, I think we could all together make a kickass version of dbz, what you lot thinking?