Why MetaKnight (MK) is the most Broken Character in SSBB

Sovieto · 02-02-2009, 06:23 AM

I read the entire post, perhaps saying [I came back out of temptation, and wow, it just gets worse. Your closing statement completely contradicts your opening, the stats said 70% said he wasn't broken.] mislead you, but saying "it gets worse" would imply that I continued on.

Video games aren't a democracy, it is still hard to compare a law to a balanced video game character. But my statement about the Earth being round.. let me put it in the same context of a law. Okay, so there is a law, that the Earth is round, and anyone saying otherwise is a moron (of course, this wouldn't be a law). Well, most of Canada disagrees, say, 85%. So they want to get this law changed and since were in a democracy situation it IS changed, and the law now states that the Earth is flat. Now because 85% of the people said it was so (which is over 50%) does that make the law just?

Your second situation is barely in context.

Let me show you someone else say it (towards the end of the video), so maybe you won't just think it is me! It actually applies to this situation a lot!

You Tube

RPGMasterTurk91 · 02-02-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sovieto

I read the entire post, perhaps saying [I came back out of temptation, and wow, it just gets worse. Your closing statement completely contradicts your opening, the stats said 70% said he wasn't broken.] mislead you, but saying "it gets worse" would imply that I continued on.

Video games aren't a democracy, it is still hard to compare a law to a balanced video game character. But my statement about the Earth being round.. let me put it in the same context of a law. Okay, so there is a law, that the Earth is round, and anyone saying otherwise is a moron (of course, this wouldn't be a law). Well, most of Canada disagrees, say, 85%. So they want to get this law changed and since were in a democracy situation it IS changed, and the law now states that the Earth is flat. Now because 85% of the people said it was so (which is over 50%) does that make the law just?

Your second situation is barely in context.

Let me show you someone else say it (towards the end of the video), so maybe you won't just think it is me! It actually applies to this situation a lot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1KQw...e=channel_page

I appreciate your response!

Still, for the last time, I am not making the statement that when over 50% of the people agree on something, it is automatically deemed true. Because these people are basing their agreement on OPINION, NOT fact. I keep throwing examples where when the "majority rules" in an opinion case, it is best to go by that ruling. Otherwise, why would over half the people be complaining? It would only make sense to make the change that is necessary, that is, canceling out a "statute" or "law" that actually proved a nuisance and inconvenience rather than the expected opposite. When you are dealing with facts--and I am in no way afraid to admit this--no matter how much of a population believes something to be true, it may still be false! I completely agree with you on this rational thought process. What you fail to realize is the context in which I am providing my argument, a rather simple one when read properly (I suppose if I were to say this statement in person we would have came to a conclusion/settlement by now on this issue, unfortunately, the internet has little to no expression). If a character is broken--he or she is broken, and you only need 50% of ALL players to attest to this fact to have it automatically deemed true. Imagine if 9 out of 10 of your friends who play SSBB (and you have a thousand friends lets say) believe that Meta Knight is unrealistic, overpowered, simply broken. One friend (our of every ten) out of the crowd feels otherwise. Why are all 900 of your friends complaining/feeling this way? They aren't crazy or bias, they have seen with their own eyes what this character can do. And since the number surpasses half of all players, and therefore is the majority, the character can be considered "broken" and "unacceptable".

Sovieto · 02-02-2009, 07:54 PM

Considering there is no proof that +50% of the players think that he is OP.. and I doubt you could get every person who owns Brawl to vote, using that as backup has no substance. Still, if you did a sample of 200 players, you must consider who those players are. What if they are inexperienced players who think MK is OP, do they have a valid opinion over a pro in tournaments who would obviously know more? Talking on behalf of +50% of the Brawl population is a bit much to use as "this character is OP" backup.

Dorkfish · 02-03-2009, 11:16 AM

Well actually sovieto, in a poll taken at Smashboards, the central hub for smash players, over 65% say that MK is OP. But who do I care, this game sucks huge veiny donkey cock

RPGMasterTurk91 · 02-04-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sovieto

Considering there is no proof that +50% of the players think that he is OP.. and I doubt you could get every person who owns Brawl to vote, using that as backup has no substance. Still, if you did a sample of 200 players, you must consider who those players are. What if they are inexperienced players who think MK is OP, do they have a valid opinion over a pro in tournaments who would obviously know more? Talking on behalf of +50% of the Brawl population is a bit much to use as "this character is OP" backup.

I was simply making a point. I don't believe I ever said that over 50% of the Brawl population believes that Meta Knight is broken--this thread is going out especially to those who don't feel that he is. Despite being much more than likely that over half of all Brawlers believe that he is "overpowered" as you called it, my claim isn't that it is the case. My point is that in certain cases, where "seeing is believing", opinions count and therefore if over 50% agree on one thing, that thing should be dealt with and taken care of so the majority will have the most convenience.

hicks31 · 02-04-2009, 02:06 PM

Meta is broken. =)

Dinner · 02-04-2009, 06:13 PM

Norlyo.o

RPGMasterTurk91 · 02-04-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hicks31

Meta is broken. =)

Ah one of the first on this thread to blatantly admit it. I applaud you for that, though I hope you did some proper "research" when making that claim.

rihopo2 · 02-07-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hicks31

Meta is broken. =)

I agree yo.

Shadow*91 · 02-07-2009, 10:50 PM

no hes not. when gamers say a character/ability/weapon is broken, we mean that its unbeatable when use correctly.

what your saying is a skilled meta is unbeatable. when yet even the most skilled metas in the world have lost.

if meta is broken, then how can he be beat when used by the best?

meta is overpowered but nowhere near broken

Dorkfish · 02-08-2009, 12:39 AM

Meta Knight is broken simply because no other character counters him. Simple as that.

Shadow*91 · 02-08-2009, 01:36 AM

thats what i mean by overpowered. hes not broken

RPGMasterTurk91 · 02-08-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow*91

no hes not. when gamers say a character/ability/weapon is broken, we mean that its unbeatable when use correctly.

what your saying is a skilled meta is unbeatable. when yet even the most skilled metas in the world have lost.

if meta is broken, then how can he be beat when used by the best?

meta is overpowered but nowhere near broken

Nope, I have never made the claim once that Meta Knight is unbeatable. There is NO such thing as an unbeatable character. According to you, Shadow, broken means unbeatable, so there will never be a character in any game and has never been and never will be broken. So why speak out? Because the match is rigged to begin with! It's a simple concept really:

You're in a race--any kind of race, even one in a video game. A car or foot race, it doesn't matter. Let's say you're in a real car race against 7 other contestants. All seven cars get nine out of the ten laps complete before your car can even move--someone messed with your car so that the chances of you winning the race is minimal. It's unfair, and the match is completely rigged, but you can STILL win the race. Getting first place is still attainable, but the match has been rigged to begin with, so getting there is made into an unnecessary hassle and made virtually impossible. There is no such thing as an unbeatable race, because "impossible" is never the case when it comes to competition. Furthermore, the person whose car had been altered did not express his or her true skill, and losing the race if repeated tens of times in this fashion (that is, starting nine laps late each time) will only yield in inevitable loss virtually 100% of the time. Even if your car started moving just 5 (FIVE!) seconds into the race, the race is STILL considered rigged; the chances of you winning the race have been lowered, and in an unjustified manner. You have been subject to an unfair occurrence that had nothing to do with your actual skill.

Now I'm not saying that the numbers apply the same with the case of Meta Knight as I used in this example, but you should get the point. When people say "if they're not unbeatable, they why are you complaining? They're not even broken that means.", it doesn't make any sense. It's like saying "why complain to the thief who stole your belongings when you're not DYING, just let it go completely, don't fight it, it's not like you're dead. I don't see why you're even making a deal out of it, your life is not at stake so what's the big deal?"

KHgamer · 03-07-2009, 04:54 PM

lol owned

kingslayer · 03-07-2009, 10:08 PM

So by the logic of a character being broken... if two Meta Knights fight each other doesn't that cancel out the advantage O.o? Okay, kidding aside... time to put my input in.

I wouldn't consider MK to be "broken," but I would agree that he is rigged. Many moves, like spikes, are made much harder to do on this character. Getting a KO is also more difficult with his flight ability.

However there are ways to neutralize many of Meta Knights advantages. The stage, The Bridge of Eldin, makes it harder (though not impossible) for a MK user to use many of his air attacks. Other stages, such as Battlefield, make it easier for MK to use his variety of moves more efficiently.

Maybe instead of worrying about whether or not MK is broken, which cannot be changed no matter how much we talk about it, we think of creative ways to take away some of his advantages (sorry MK mains :P).

Shadow*91 · 03-08-2009, 01:02 PM

↑see? thats what i mean. he's not broken just overpowered so you have to come up with something new

SSBfreakCK · 03-08-2009, 01:23 PM

This thread should of died.. >.>

Ahem! If I may solve this conflict! Broken in the Brawl world, can be many things, depending on who uses the word. It can mean overpowered, unfair, or something that'l guarentee a win/loss. It's all about the person's perspective. Using a single, variable word to describe a character is a bad idea, IMO. :P

And yes, Meta is overpowered.

Bio · 03-08-2009, 02:49 PM

^lol way to kill your own logic in that last statement. =P

So what are we saying, here: That he's broken or overpowered?

Sounds to me like being "broken" is what makes you overpowered. I thought the point of the term "broken" is that it "breaks" the balance of the fighting game's characters. "Overpowered" sounds like what the character turns into if his/her broken moves allow him/her to become unreasonably more powerful than everyone else in some regard (rather than unreasonably less powerful, which might stand the case for Pichu in SSBM).

SSBfreakCK · 03-08-2009, 02:54 PM

As I (tried) to say in my last post, broken can mean a much higher level of a character being unfair than the way you put it, Bio. It all depends on the person's views. I'd say using the word "broken" in this thread here after, is.. a bad idea.

kingslayer · 03-08-2009, 10:37 PM

While I think this topic should probably just die... I have to comment.

Facing Meta Knight is one of the most annoying things ever -.-. I wouldn't mind all the other advantages if Meta Knight lost either his insane priority or his grab range. They make it very challenging to face an expert with it. Of course it's possible (I figured out how you can get past the advantages), but it's too much work to do. I only gave a half effort and then decided it wasn't worth it in a practice session -.-.

Anyway, I'm going to let this thread go back to dying... since all that needs to be said has been said; I just wanted to vent a little :P.

02-02-2009, 07:54 PM	#23
Sovieto Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 6,806 Friends: 0	Considering there is no proof that +50% of the players think that he is OP.. and I doubt you could get every person who owns Brawl to vote, using that as backup has no substance. Still, if you did a sample of 200 players, you must consider who those players are. What if they are inexperienced players who think MK is OP, do they have a valid opinion over a pro in tournaments who would obviously know more? Talking on behalf of +50% of the Brawl population is a bit much to use as "this character is OP" backup. __________________ Everything in this signature except for this text was made by Wiired, he is my creator and almighty.

02-03-2009, 11:16 AM	#24
Dorkfish dooshbag Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In the Boondocks Posts: 1,047 Friends: 15 3041-8420-1576-4112	Well actually sovieto, in a poll taken at Smashboards, the central hub for smash players, over 65% say that MK is OP. But who do I care, this game sucks huge veiny donkey cock __________________ FUCK ME, I'M ALL OUT OF ENEMIES

02-04-2009, 02:06 PM	#26
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Shadow*91 OMG! I RULE! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sitting by a Gamecube playing some Melee Posts: 1,401 Friends: 46 0000-0000-0000-0000 Blog Entries: 3	no hes not. when gamers say a character/ability/weapon is broken, we mean that its unbeatable when use correctly. what your saying is a skilled meta is unbeatable. when yet even the most skilled metas in the world have lost. if meta is broken, then how can he be beat when used by the best? meta is overpowered but nowhere near broken __________________ Signatures were made by me. Click here to see others I've made. They say 'Knowledge is Power' They say 'Power Corrupts' So I say: Study hard, be EVIL! Wiichat's biggest Call of Duty HATER! Wii is busted so please don't ask me for codes. I wouldn't add you anyway.


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02-08-2009, 12:39 AM	#31
Dorkfish dooshbag Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In the Boondocks Posts: 1,047 Friends: 15 3041-8420-1576-4112	Meta Knight is broken simply because no other character counters him. Simple as that. __________________ FUCK ME, I'M ALL OUT OF ENEMIES

02-08-2009, 01:36 AM	#32
Shadow*91 OMG! I RULE! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sitting by a Gamecube playing some Melee Posts: 1,401 Friends: 46 0000-0000-0000-0000 Blog Entries: 3	thats what i mean by overpowered. hes not broken __________________ Signatures were made by me. Click here to see others I've made. They say 'Knowledge is Power' They say 'Power Corrupts' So I say: Study hard, be EVIL! Wiichat's biggest Call of Duty HATER! Wii is busted so please don't ask me for codes. I wouldn't add you anyway.

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03-07-2009, 10:08 PM	#35
kingslayer The Grammar Police Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 565 Friends: 12 1345-6587-5984-5125	So by the logic of a character being broken... if two Meta Knights fight each other doesn't that cancel out the advantage O.o? Okay, kidding aside... time to put my input in. I wouldn't consider MK to be "broken," but I would agree that he is rigged. Many moves, like spikes, are made much harder to do on this character. Getting a KO is also more difficult with his flight ability. However there are ways to neutralize many of Meta Knights advantages. The stage, The Bridge of Eldin, makes it harder (though not impossible) for a MK user to use many of his air attacks. Other stages, such as Battlefield, make it easier for MK to use his variety of moves more efficiently. Maybe instead of worrying about whether or not MK is broken, which cannot be changed no matter how much we talk about it, we think of creative ways to take away some of his advantages (sorry MK mains :P).

03-08-2009, 01:02 PM	#36
Shadow*91 OMG! I RULE! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sitting by a Gamecube playing some Melee Posts: 1,401 Friends: 46 0000-0000-0000-0000 Blog Entries: 3	↑see? thats what i mean. he's not broken just overpowered so you have to come up with something new __________________ Signatures were made by me. Click here to see others I've made. They say 'Knowledge is Power' They say 'Power Corrupts' So I say: Study hard, be EVIL! Wiichat's biggest Call of Duty HATER! Wii is busted so please don't ask me for codes. I wouldn't add you anyway.

03-08-2009, 02:49 PM	#38
Bio WiiChat Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 939 Friends: 23	^lol way to kill your own logic in that last statement. =P So what are we saying, here: That he's broken or overpowered? Sounds to me like being "broken" is what makes you overpowered. I thought the point of the term "broken" is that it "breaks" the balance of the fighting game's characters. "Overpowered" sounds like what the character turns into if his/her broken moves allow him/her to become unreasonably more powerful than everyone else in some regard (rather than unreasonably less powerful, which might stand the case for Pichu in SSBM). __________________ Brawl Code: 3566 3531 3273 Official Recordkeeper of the 1v1 League Want to compete in Smash Bros. on WiiChat? Join the League now! =) (I am NOT accepting Friend codes.)

03-08-2009, 10:37 PM	#40
kingslayer The Grammar Police Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 565 Friends: 12 1345-6587-5984-5125	While I think this topic should probably just die... I have to comment. Facing Meta Knight is one of the most annoying things ever -.-. I wouldn't mind all the other advantages if Meta Knight lost either his insane priority or his grab range. They make it very challenging to face an expert with it. Of course it's possible (I figured out how you can get past the advantages), but it's too much work to do. I only gave a half effort and then decided it wasn't worth it in a practice session -.-. Anyway, I'm going to let this thread go back to dying... since all that needs to be said has been said; I just wanted to vent a little :P.

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