^ Ding ding ding.

His cons are his Cypher is slow to gain vertical momentum if your momentum was going downwards when you pulled it out. To avoid this (and gain more height), use it at the peak of your midair jump and the momentum will actually help you and you'll gain some extra height and distance.

His running speed isn't that great, but he makes up for it by having the best dash attack in the game.

When he uses the nikita, he can't move. However, if the sheild button is pressed, he ends the Nikita and there is minimal lag while he puts the Launcher away. This con only comes into play if the Snake in question is a retard and uses the Nikita in close range.

When holding a grenade, snake can't attack. However, again, like the Nikita, you shouldn't be using grenades in close quarters anyways. And they're extremely quick to throw, and can be cooked.

His down smash Claymore, his C4, and his grenades can all damage him if he's caught in the blast radius. That's his major con. He has to be just as wary as his opponents when trying not to run into a claymore.

His grenades can be thrown back at him if caught.

His first jump is small. (I consider this an advantage though, because it's technically a short hop and combined with his Bair it's devastating.).

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That's all I can think of for Cons.

this is based on how i play okay

top

toon link: do i need to say why? bombs are good and boomerang beats the crap out of gale any day

marth: first off the brawl strategy guide rates marth as best in game now then he has all the same murder moves of melee and while the sword is shorter it still long enough that good marth players can overcome that

snake: extremely hard to master but is able to kill at low % and is hard to kill(heaviest human) if you learn him he has a way to counter any move thrown at you

lucas: crazy aerial game and a decent ground fighter better than ness in a million years

metaknight: quick combos and despite what most of you say fsmash owns better than dsmash(but is still great) his aerial game in my opinion is one of the best and mix that with hard to kill and good recovery and you have a great fighter

olimar: i hate him but the aerials are godly with purple or red pikman and his recovery(while hard to maximze in tough fight) is great

mid:
Zss
bowser
Capt. Falcon
zelda
pokemon trainer(squirtle and charizard)
ice climbers
kirby
G&W
ike
ness
fox
wolf
falco
link
pikachu
jiggly
lucario
sonic
luigi

low:
peach
mario
pokemon trainer(ivysaur)
sheik(man she got nerfed)
samus
ganondorf(other than the foot he got nerfed too much)
D3
ROB


if i'm missing someone let me know
thats how i would say it and teirs exist but it's fun to ignore them and dominate with our fav because you like them not beacuse their high teir

Ivysaur.. low tier?! ARE YOU INSANE?

Ganondorf isn't low tier either, he's high.

D3?

Rob is high tier for sure.

I agree mostly with the rest of the low tiers though. Sheik ****ing sucks.

where is diddy and dk and wario? and peach, ganon and ivysaur low tier?

you dont even give a reason for their placement, just because you dont play/ sick with them dont mean u gotta be biased bruh.....

sorry about diddy dk and wario i would place them in mid teir somewhere
and if you read i said it was based on how i play

Okay. Now that we've gotten some character discussion in, lets try making the first Tier. Start with bottom and don't discuss high Tier until we get there.

Bottom: Sheik for SURE.

Reasons: Most nerfed character from Melee. She's now EXTREMELY light, and all her attacks are halved (or worse) in power. Now Zelda is the reason to pick the pair.

She just sucks so bad from what I've seen. When I get a classic controller I'll give her another shot, but from what I've seen and used, she's HORRIBLE. (She still sucks while looking cool though.)

That's all I have for now.

Omg i know right?

sheik SUCKS now, i had friends who only used HER in melee and now they're like "ugh, never touching that character again"

she used to be rigged.

Wrong about she being the most nerfed char from melee. I think good ole CF holds that title.

ahhh, i wouldnt know because i never really played him that much (no offense to all you CF fans)

Nah. Captain Falcon isn't as good as he was in Melee, but he's still pretty damn good. I use him quite a bit. All you need to do is work on your timing for his knee. He's still a good character.

Update: I've been trying out sheik. She's still extremely quick, but almost all of her attacks lack power. (I was having trouble KOing Twi when he was DK at 100% + damage.).

The only real attacks she has with KO power are her forward smash (at high percents), her up smash (can kill easier than forward usually), and her Uair.

She's still really good at edge defending and interrupting, and she has a few nearly inescapable combos. She's alright, she's not as horrible as I thought she was.

Just takes some re-adjusting.

^ first: never use F smash with sheik. its too laggy... meaning that you cant stop the second hit from coming out so it leaves you easily shield grabbed.

with sheik you gotta be good at move set management. if you spam your KO moves you wont get any KO's. you gotta use her combo moves for combo's and save her KO moves for the final hit. U smash, D smash, U air, B air you should save for KO's... just my two cents

Hmm... NO!!! One attack does not make a character. Sure, he has speed, and ONE great attack, but that does not matter. Ask anyone who mained CF in Melee and they will tell you.

^ -puts hand up-

and just a note: knee isn't as good as it was in melee. you'll get out prioritized every time.

u air is his best move b