Lets talk about kirby.
I think he should be high medium tier.
Hes a great arial fighter.
And he has 2 very strong attacks, stone and hammer.

Everyone on here has been all saying TOGETHER that snake and Meta are def. Top tier. I would just like to point out what i think of their match up:

While heavy, Snake is slow, his air game is A55, his recovery is extremely punishable, and his best kill moves (AAA and f-tilt) are easily disrupted and punished by MetaKnight. Part of the problem is that Snake is such a ground fighter and a slow one at that. He needs grenades and mortars as cover fire to make his kill moves safe. Meta has many easy approaches and once he has Snake in the air, Snake's only hope is getting back on the ground and at a safe distance.

Shielding is good, but Meta's dash grab punishes that too. Snake is slow after shielding. Even Snake's mines can be safely detonated by Meta's down-tilt..

For me, Snake's best moves against Meta are short-hopped bairs (carefully, though), dash attacks and shield-dropped grenades. Throw a grenade and then do a dash attack to pick it up and immediately shield. This timing will grenade a grounded Meta without him being able to safely grab or attack. Don't roll; don't try to grab. Never fsmash. Always cook grenades, but keep them close. Always air-dodge. Spam mortars and learn to mortar slide, but switch it up and use it carefully too. Vary it's charge and stay near the mortar. When edgeguarding, don't steer the Nikita too much because it slows down. Instead, predict, point and let it gain speed. Don't be afraid to abandon a Nikita shot early if you miss. Otherwise, Meta will get to you before you regain control. Instead, try to drop it and get under it. When knocked off the stage, recover high enough to connect with dair and try to time it so that the last hit connects with Meta. That lands KOs. Bair works too, but don't get predictable. Don't use down-tilt on its own unless Meta short-hops. Meta will rarely get above you, so d-tilt and u-tilt don't get much play. If he does approach from above, vary uair, u-tilt and d-tilt to keep him guessing. Get under plaforms to entice him, and always keep a C4 planted above the main platform. Don't even detonate it all the time. Meta will just avoid it altogether. Just put it out there, let him get used to you walking over it and get near it after it becomes unstable. Let him trigger it. Snake's general game is about providing cover fire to make his kill moves safe. In a sense, Snake is constantly running away. Never stop running.

i see your points. but as a counter. though snake is slow and meta will control the pace of the game for the majority of the match an up tilt at 50% on a meta can KO. meta will need to combo the snake like NUTS to get kills as snake is one of the toughest characters to side and star KO. yes meta can get some bottom KO's with good ledge guarding but over all i'd put them around even... and might i state again... they are the only two characters to win a major brawl tourney so far

We get the point, spiff.

Anyway, Snake and MK are both Top Tier characters, but don't forget about the other guys, too!

I actually forgot what character we were on

*Flips back a page*

Fox

Hes fast, but not as fast as in Melee.

His up smash in one of the best Usmashes in the game, and it can be slid into as spiff said. It can also open up combo possibilities which spiff also said. The rest of his attacks are Fairly powerful and quick.

His blaster has improved speed, as he can now Short Hop Triple Blaster, therefor bettering his projectile game.

His recovery is Limited though. Hit him far enough off stage and at a low enough angle, there is no chance of him recovering. Overall the distance of both his Uspecial and Fspecial have increased, but is still relatively short.

He can be KO'd fairly easily as he his a Semi-Light character.

Kibry for mid to high tier

on fox. i find his n air extremely useful... much as it was in melee... b air still kills well... my fox game hasn't really changed much from melee... substitute wavedashes into shines with running shines lol drill kick shines still work aswell as the d air autocancels

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^ in melee i used to wavedash into reflector...also known as shines because that was... a super cool combo to do on people. but now you can't wavedash but you can do a reflector so quick during your run its like the same thing

Ooooh, I thought you were talking about Brawl, thats why I was wondering about the "substitute wavedash" Lol

haha no no. sorry thats my bad on the confusion

So spiff, the guy I faced who did the shine combo on me, was he just runing and doing reflector?

thats how i do it haha maybe he found a new way lol but try it in training its awkward but pretty easy. just dash, then press down and b super fast. it cancels the dash sorta... maybe he was b sticking you

i actually tried a few on you but i kept messing up cuz i suck haha

<_< Now we will talk about kirby and ddd.
And dont ignore this post....

Kirby's alright. my friend used to main him. aerial hammers can catch people off guard. drill kick is awesome again. you can do the block... whatever the down b is called lol on the ground and its pretty strong

Dork, you said Fox's Up special was increased from Melee?

ARE YOU INSANE? In melee he could recover from being in a magnifying glass on Final Destination with just his Up Special. Even at a low angle, too!

His recovery distance is shorter, but it suits the smaller out boundaries of Brawl.

Kirby is like top/high-as-hell tier if you ask me. All of his attacks are stronger than they should be and he's not short on range.