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04-02-2008, 10:50 PM
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Lucas is so similar to Ness yet that much better than him, his grabs have more reach, his upsmash is amazing. Because of this most people will put Ness on a lower tier than Lucas.
Sonic has 3 KO moves, unfortunately they can only be used in certain situations. He can kill with his up air but the other player has to be close enough to the top. His best move is his back air but landing back air's are hard enough. His F Smash can kill as well. The problem is that anyone that faces Sonic will know the 3 Ko moves and they will no how to avoid them. So yeah he's pretty bad and also no priority.
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04-02-2008, 10:57 PM
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if you miss with lucas a+up youre just waiting to get hit hard.
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04-07-2008, 01:31 PM
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Here's what i think from who i played with / good players i faced on Wifi.
Kind Dedede - I's hate to say it but he's pretty good. strong attack, good KO moves, Fsmash is slow but he has other kill moves to make up for it, and has one of the only chain grabs now. I would put him somewhere in high tier
Zelda - HUGE buff from meele. Dins fire is alot faster and has a huge range if charged fully (and easy absorption for ness/lucas, hehe) still has her deadly heel attack and her Uair (farrow's wind or something like that) hit with both the begining and end plus has a long range and is quick. i would put her somwhere near the top middle
Metaknight - very good. i swear he has almost no lag at all, he just seems to spam attacks seamlessly. he can do a quick combo to his down smash very fast and has very good recovery aswell wit his 4 jumps. definatly high tier
Samus - Changed from meele, can no longer strong missile spam by jumping and cancelling to reduce lag, also missiles have alot less knockback. Also her Nair is significantly nurfed, used to be a KO attack and now is hardly a knockback. also bomb recovery is almost broken now. She has been upgraded to a heavy character though and homing missile can keep enemies back, also jumping and grapple hurts enemies. shes different but not bad, i used to main Samus but shes almost completely different now. i would put her near the mid.
Olimar, Id hate to say it again, but hes good. Strong smashes with a long range. also his aerials are strong, and can throw pikmen at distant enemies. only problem with him is his UpB recovery depends on how many pikmen he has, so if you just head on attack him and his pikmen without giving him a chance to grab more, he cant recover. still it doesnt take long to get pikmen. i would say High tier
Lucas (my main) - I play lucas, and i think hes better than Ness. His PK fire is a good projectile and has a big wavebounce, if you use that. also is Nair has no landing lag and has a strong ending hit. Fair is strong, Bair can spike if hit right, also Dair spikes if hit on the last attack, but has long lag if it hits the ground. Fsmash is strong and fast, so is Ftilt. Dsmash is strong and has 3 hits but slow, Also Uair is strong, good range but slow. DownB can actually KO and it it does absorb from both sides. UpB is very good for hitting enemies when they recover as the ball of PK Thunder pushes enemies outwards, but its pretty slow. on the down side he is pretty predictable. Last hes a small target to hit, which is always good. overall id say hes high tier.
Ness (also main) - I also main ness, though he is not as good as Lucas. He has Buffs and nurfs from meele. the Fsmash is alot slower now but is still strong. other than that he has been buffed. Usmash and Dsmash are actually usefull now, and pretty uniquely to characters that Dsmash is two hits, ness's Dsmash hits behind him first then in front. Running attack extends infront of him in 3 hits and knocks up, Fair is great for spamming. Uair is a great KO move. Dair is a easy spike and Bair is a great KO move aswell, also Nair is quick and good knockback. another note is that Nair,Fair and Bair can be short hopped and fast falled without any landing lag at all unlike lucas. But his short hop is a little high, might miss short characters. also ness is a small target himself. Lastly his PK thunder can easily tailwhip enemies and circle around to his them due to its high speed. also enemies will fly in the direction PK Thunder hits in leaving them open to attacks at close range at low percentages. SideB is harder to hit with than lucas's but is more usefull as it holds the enemy in place for a grab or running attack combo, especially at low percentages. B is still good to edgeguard with against some characters. Overall i think people really underestimate ness, i think hes High, at least lower High tier.
I know my Ness/lucas explinations are more lengthy, but thats who i have the most experience with.
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I forgot Fox / Falco
Fox is about the same as meele minus the wavedash. he still strong and fast and his Usmash is still very deadly. Shine still works as before. not much more to say, he still fox. Mid high tier without l-cancelling or wavedash
Falco - Falco is alot different from meele, and he has a chain grab. Down throw is a nice chaingrab. also his shine extends and if it hits a enemy on the ground it makes them fall. id say hes mid tier.
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04-07-2008, 09:36 PM
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That's a good analysis, also Olimar is one of the easier characters to knock off. His recovery leaves him hanging on the ledge. With a good aerial, Olimar will be knocked off the stage. I don't play with him ever but that's what i'm hearing. Also can Olimar recover with an edge guarder?
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04-07-2008, 09:47 PM
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lucas (my main) is freakin amazing.
his aerials all do significant damage and can k.o. with ease
his pk thunder is easier to control than ness'
his up/down smashes are uber powerful
his f smash is faster than ness',
zap jump (search it up)
i'd definitely say top tier.
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04-07-2008, 10:44 PM
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I could agree that Lucas will could be Top Tier, lets just wait and see what other people think. I haven't put time in with Lucas yet so I wouldn't know.
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04-12-2008, 03:10 AM
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Bumpage. I expected a bit more out of the Wiichat community than this!
So far I have found that Toon Link and Wolf are the best new characters, and could be top Tier Characters. Sonic will most likely be middle-low/low tier because he lacks kill moves. Snake has a good set of projectiles and his melee attacks are relatively powerful, w/ a decent recovery as well.
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04-12-2008, 03:53 AM
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I chose not to include a "Top" tier, because I feel there really aren't extremely advantageous characters in this game; they all rank around the "High" tier.
High:
Peach
Bowser
Sheik
Toon Link
Pit
Metaknight
R.O.B.
DeDeDe
Falco
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Marth
Lucas
Wolf
Medium High:
Diddy Kong
Yoshi
Link
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus
Ice Climbers
Olimar
Fox
Pokemon Trainer
Ness
Snake
Sonic
Medium Low:
Mario
Luigi
Wario
Samus
Captain Falcon
Low:
Kirby
Game & Watch
Bottom:
Donkey Kong
Ganondorf
Don't know where exactly to place:
Ike
Lucario
(obviously some of this ranked based on how I personally play as each character, but some/most of it is based on the potential of the characters)
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04-12-2008, 04:31 AM
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good list tyler
i personally would raise switch mario and yoshi
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04-12-2008, 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ssbb_lover
I chose not to include a "Top" tier, because I feel there really aren't extremely advantageous characters in this game; they all rank around the "High" tier.
High:
Peach
Bowser
Sheik
Toon Link
Pit
Metaknight
R.O.B.
DeDeDe
Falco
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Marth
Lucas
Wolf
Medium High:
Diddy Kong
Yoshi
Link
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus
Ice Climbers
Olimar
Fox
Pokemon Trainer
Ness
Snake
Sonic
Medium Low:
Mario
Luigi
Wario
Samus
Captain Falcon
Low:
Kirby
Game & Watch
Bottom:
Donkey Kong
Ganondorf
Don't know where exactly to place:
Ike
Lucario
(obviously some of this ranked based on how I personally play as each character, but some/most of it is based on the potential of the characters)
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I can't see Sheik, ROB and Jiggly in high tier...
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04-12-2008, 05:46 AM
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mm...I do believe tiers do not really exist (tiers are for queers!), but I'll humor you with my list. I'm keeping Zelda/Sheik and each pokemon separate. I base this also on how easy the character is to use.
Top Bananas
-Luigi: his aerials are crazy, his movement is much better, and his recovery has drastically improved. Can't help but hate him , though.
-Lucas: This guy rocks. Ness improved a lot, but Lucas is clearly better in my opinion. Too easy to pull of combos, great range, recovery, etc.
-Falco: Falco was good before, now he's heavenly. He can quickly rack up damage, is very versatile, and although not as fast as fox or powerful as wolf, he's excellent.
-Zelda: Huge improvement...that din's fire combo is ridiculously powerful. enough said.
-Squirtle: this thing is the most annoying thing ever created. Hard to hit, decent recovery, good aerial game, and you're invincible while in the shell. Best for sudden death and final smashes.
-Pikachu: very very good, it's hard to lose with him. enough said.
Middle Top
-Toon Link: do I really have to explain?
-Game and Watch: great character...was going to place him in top tier, but he is too light and may be gimped in his recovery.
-Ness: cooler than Lucas, but not quite as awesome.
-Marth: more floaty and a shorter sword bring him down from the top. On the other hand, the side B combos are a lot better.
-Ike: powerful and with good range and recovery. No more to say.
-Lucario: good lucario players are extremely difficult. The range from that aura and those aura balls give him a great arsenal.
-Mario: much better than before, although not like luigi.
-Bowser: this guy improved so much it's ridiculous...now he's actually a scary opponent.
-Diddy: what keeps him from top tier is his hard to use B moves. Although the bananas allow for interesting combos.
-Fox: great, but falco took the prize for best of star fox.
-Wolf: my main; not the clone that was expected, he's a really good character, but his recovery is bad.
-King Dedede: Quite similar to Ike, imo. His grab combo and the waddle dee's are an added bonus.
-Charizard: this is a surprise to me. He is similar to a Bowser with wings, tail, and an attack that deals 45%.
Middle Bottom
-Snake: not bad, actually, but awkward and difficult to really master. His recovery is also a vulnerable one.
-Ivysaur: good to use, but he comes nowhere close to the other pokemon. His projectile is good but unreliable, and his lag can kill you. Also, tether recovery leads to an easy death.
-Olimar: great character, but the problem of the tether recovery exists, although not as bad as ivysaur. He also loses points for being extremely difficult to master and for his pikmin being so easy to throw off.
-R.O.B.: one of my mains as well, he is fun to use and has great moves, but getting used to him can be a drag.
-Pit: overrated. His great versatility and recovery don't justify his weak attacks, and too many noobs have drained the fun of this character.
-Kirby: Good, but constantly spammed and easy to kill.
-Meta Knight: same as Pit. He is hard to kill with and flies of with ease. His moves are also traps as they can leave you with horrible lag.
-Captain Falcon: not as good as before for a reason I don't get. The Falcon Punch is the only big thing that makes him desirable.
-Jigglypuff: nerfed, just not as good as she was before. I used her in melee, and now in brawl it's just not the same. The Final Smash is hilarious though.
-Samus: something about samus keeps her from really being great. Beats me
-ZSS: better than samus, imo, but flies of with ease and her moves are not very varied.
-Peach: nerfed, not as good as before. Still good, but never the same.
-Yoshi: better, but still not wonderful.
-Link: nerfed and improved at the same time. Gets boring quickly.
-Sheik: nerfed. It's Zelda's turn to take the spotlight.
-Wario: a blast to use, but also weird to use. Takes a while to use well.
Better luck next time...
-DK: doesn't change even a little.
-Ganondorf (as I call him, ganondork): I have yet to see a good ganondorf player. Difficult character to use. If you want slow and powerful, go for Ike of Dedede, even R.O.B., Bowser or Charizard...this guy doesn't seem to be worth it.
-Ice Climbers: woe, they're better, yet worse. I used to handle them in melee, and this time they don't feel as good. Still easy to kill one of them and cripple the other.
-Sonic: not bad, just damn hard to be succesful with. I use him exceedingly well sometimes, and then other times I just get butchered. His speed is great, but killing with him is the challenge. The spin move also becomes predictable after time.
I think that's all.
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04-12-2008, 05:52 AM
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^this is by no means counseling... but from what i've seen luigi seems to be hurt by the lack of the wave dash too much. other than that i guesss its all just personal decisions lol
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04-12-2008, 05:56 AM
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In the case of Luigi, you can discredit him all you want, I hate his guts...I just put him there from what I've observed.
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04-12-2008, 05:59 AM
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haha oh ok cool. personally i liked him more in melee... he's so... goofy now lol but i was always more of a low tier mainer anyways... pichu and G&W in melee... Yoshi in brawl haha
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04-12-2008, 10:58 AM
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04-12-2008, 03:45 PM
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mm...I do believe tiers do not really exist (tiers are for queers!), but I'll humor you with my list. I'm keeping Zelda/Sheik and each pokemon separate. I base this also on how easy the character is to use.
Top Bananas
-Luigi: his aerials are crazy, his movement is much better, and his recovery has drastically improved. Can't help but hate him , though.
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