Brawl Tier List Discussion

wiiman14 · 06-17-2008, 11:17 PM

Kirby FTW!!!

JakesCakes · 06-19-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by spiff-ssbb

na even sonic has him. b air and f smash own up lucario's power any day.

and to Jake:
nice post. i only disagree with lucas. easily chain grabbed. other than that he owns but there are A LOT of infinites that can be done on lucas... i just cant do any of them :P

Nice, yeah I was unsure thats what I left the question marks for. Not too familiar with these new characters, I'm old fashion

What do you guys think of Luigi? I have seen some pretty impressive things from him, first being his recovery!! I didn't realize he could use the tornado special to recover, IN ADDITION to the side-B and Up-B.

His F-smash is nice and the uppercut of course. . . . Floaty, good aerials

Dorkfish · 06-19-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JakesCakes

haha thanks man. I've always been interested in the unique, less used characters for some reason. I tried really hard but he's extremely difficult to main in Brawl. Low priority, no approaches. But he is very heavy and 2nd fastest runner which I am inclined to prefer to slower characters. I do what I can because the feeling of landing a knee or falcon punch is so indescribable! hahaha

anyways hes def low tier like you all say. I'm trying to find other characters to use, so far I'm attracted to Fox/Ness/Snake/Jiggly

From what I've seen, I will suggest that the top tiers
Metaknight
Snake
Marth
Wolf?

with high regards to Ike, Olimar, Kirby, ToonLink, Falco?? Lucas ?? Game n Watch

And then you got the characters like Zelda/Pika/Pit who make me

if not used correctly

and then anyone I use = bottom tier

but
Falcon is forever in my heart! Long live the FALCON

Ike~Nah, I don't think hes high tier. Too slow, attacks are easily avoidable if you know what your doing, can't combo worth a crap, he has a crap recovery, and he fights for his friends. But, he can KO at extremely low percents, and hes pretty heavy. I mean, if you can get some attacks in, you don't really need to combo, because a few hits will get the opponent into Ikes KO range.

Wolf~

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Wolf is a character that has a lot of excellent attributes, but they don't tend to mesh as well as a Wolf main would like. The obvious and most effective strategies found so far with Wolf have been very one-dimensional, as good qualities such as range, a nice projectile, and speed, are all used in the simple strategy of "blaster until they approach".

However, Wolf does have the ability to throw out his forward air and his back air with zero lag. This gives him the ability to approach an opponent and, if he makes contact, follow it up quickly. We've already seen a few Wolf players going through shields and hitting with a back air then landing behind their opponent, so Wolf's playstyle may change in the future. An increased emphasis on aerials being used effectively would also solve the problem of Wolf not having a reliable KO move, since his f-smash and d-smash are currently used as damage dealers by most Wolf players.

Wolf's recovery also seems to be holding him back. His up+b is nigh useless, and through smash DI you can DI out of the final kick at the end; it also frequently fails to grab the edge even if you are close. His over-b is excellent for distance when it is canceled, but is still very predictable. As such, Wolf can be easily punished upon recovery and often gimped.

Wolf is very much a fun character to play, but it seems that at this point in the metagame his weaknesses outweigh his strengths. It will take a lot of patience to play Wolf well.

To quote the smashboards guys, just going with that. I would say he's better then that, but they do know what they're talking about, don't they...

ZEROLAZAR · 06-19-2008, 05:53 PM

Ike is insane. He has lots of combos. You do know that 3/5 of his aerials have absolutely NO landing lag? Short hopping a Nair into an uptilt, or anything you want really (uptilt seems the most effective) is amazing. His RAR is retardedly good. His spike can even KO you upwards (Don't ask me how).

He's great. His range and strength and speed (he's the fastest heavy character...) make up for everything.

Dorkfish · 06-19-2008, 08:31 PM

To those who don't lurk around smashboards every once in a while, here is this character matchup chart that was posted there a while back

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=157979

^^^
Thread

Discuss

ZEROLAZAR · 06-19-2008, 09:33 PM

Looks like Mr Game and Watch takes the cake from the amount of gigantic checkmarks.

vashivihan · 06-19-2008, 09:36 PM

captain falcon for the lose

Dorkfish · 06-19-2008, 09:43 PM

Yeah, judging from the list, the chars who have the most advantageous matchups are G&W, Marth, MK, Snake, Pit, Olimar, Falco, Toon Link, ROB, and Zelda. Doesn't suprise me, because these chars are all high tier.

Captain Falcon really did get the worst nerf of all... Well, hes not the worst in terms of matchups, Ganondorf takes that spot.

Shadow*91 · 06-20-2008, 09:03 PM

true but that says TL is bad against olimar
i always beat olimar so its not completely true

ZEROLAZAR · 06-20-2008, 11:19 PM

I don't agree with that thing at all TBH. Ganondorf is great..

Dorkfish · 06-20-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ZEROLAZAR

I don't agree with that thing at all TBH. Ganondorf is great..

I didn't make it, blame it on that guy. Its data collected from each characters thread, so I have to agree with most of it.

spiff-ssbb · 06-21-2008, 04:26 PM

^ yes but even in that thread there is dispute over the match ups. there always will be.

Mar · 06-21-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow*91

true but that says TL is bad against olimar
i always beat olimar so its not completely true

Olimar has its advantages but when it comes down to it experience is all that matters.

To me these are the best characters and I'm basing this on the characters who win tournaments most of the time.

Top

Snake
Meta Knight

High

Falco
ROB
Lucario
Olimar
King Dedede
Mr. Game & Watch
Marth
Pit

spiff-ssbb · 06-21-2008, 05:05 PM

^ thats a very respectable list. kudo's i have nothing bad to say... other than maybe Lucario... EXTREMELY disadvantaged if you die first

.::Wii::. · 06-21-2008, 05:06 PM

Not sure. Too lazy lol.

Mar · 06-21-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spiff-ssbb

^ thats a very respectable list. kudo's i have nothing bad to say... other than maybe Lucario... EXTREMELY disadvantaged if you die first

That's not exactly true you can always easily come back depending on the % he is at and that is why he is so deadly. When he gets into the 150-200% he takes like 3 times more damage.