Brawl Tier List Discussion

Charon · 08-03-2008, 06:37 AM

Hmmm damn its an interesting discussion I've pwned some bowsers easily with Ike, I just hate when i **** up and fall damn stupid fat Ike

Yo Dyl we could do some Ike VS Bowser sometimes, I wanna play right now but parents are watching a movie -_-

Dorkfish · 08-03-2008, 06:38 AM

I call thousandth post

DK vs Bowser

This is a decent match for DK, he has a slight upper hand. Bowser is like the Ultimate Chimera, slow and powerful, while DK is like a giant F-Zero Racer, fast and powerful. This match-up should not give you much trouble at all except for the occasional Klaw-hop or whatever it's called now. This is kind of like Ganondorf's over-b but you have a little bit less time to react to it since bowser falls faster than Ganondorf. Bowser has barely any reach for his aerials or his ground moves except for his F-tilt, up-tilt, and bair which are their kill moves so expect them to use them when you are at high%. If you do get hit by an up tilt and are at relatively low % they will most likely use another if you do not move very far so dodge ahead of time this is a very fast tilt. Use your tilts (and Down-b if your opponent doesn't Klaw hop everywhere all the time) to space yourself. If you happen to grab them at extremely low % then a great combo to use is down throw to F-tilt along with DK punch. This combo is highly effective against all the heavy characters. In this match-up you will most likely want to hit bowser up and kill with uair rather than bair because his recovery is just like yours, horizontal. For edge guarding just do a F-smash as this hits below the ledge also. Don't attack too recklessly to because they fortress out of shield more than we do side-b or up-b out of shield.

basic vs Bowser stuff found on smashboards.

EDIT: **** YOU CHARON!!!

I wanted thousandth post...

Also, BOWSERS AAA HAS GREAT RANGE??? WHAT GAME ARE YOU PLAYING??? Ike's AAA combo is the best AAA in the game. Speed, Range, Power. His best move(s) imo

Also, FYI, there are less Toon Link mains than Bowser mains

Charon · 08-03-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dorkfish

I call thousandth post

DK vs Bowser

This is a decent match for DK, he has a slight upper hand. Bowser is like the Ultimate Chimera, slow and powerful, while DK is like a giant F-Zero Racer, fast and powerful. This match-up should not give you much trouble at all except for the occasional Klaw-hop or whatever it's called now. This is kind of like Ganondorf's over-b but you have a little bit less time to react to it since bowser falls faster than Ganondorf. Bowser has barely any reach for his aerials or his ground moves except for his F-tilt, up-tilt, and bair which are their kill moves so expect them to use them when you are at high%. If you do get hit by an up tilt and are at relatively low % they will most likely use another if you do not move very far so dodge ahead of time this is a very fast tilt. Use your tilts (and Down-b if your opponent doesn't Klaw hop everywhere all the time) to space yourself. If you happen to grab them at extremely low % then a great combo to use is down throw to F-tilt along with DK punch. This combo is highly effective against all the heavy characters. In this match-up you will most likely want to hit bowser up and kill with uair rather than bair because his recovery is just like yours, horizontal. For edge guarding just do a F-smash as this hits below the ledge also. Don't attack too recklessly to because they fortress out of shield more than we do side-b or up-b out of shield.

basic vs Bowser stuff found on smashboards.

EDIT: **** YOU CHARON!!!

I wanted thousandth post...

Also, BOWSERS AAA HAS GREAT RANGE??? WHAT GAME ARE YOU PLAYING??? Ike's AAA combo is the best AAA in the game. Speed, Range, Power. His best move(s) imo

Haha, sry i guess XD

ZEROLAZAR · 08-03-2008, 08:37 AM

Ike's initial two punches have crappy range dude. Go test Bowser, watch how far his claw swipes go. Yes, Ike's is a better neutral combo. It doesn't have more range though.

That combo doesn't work on Bowser at a percent above 20. I can just fair you before you get the tilt in. Klaw hopping everywhere all the time is retarded, only noob Bowsers do that. You have to use it for mindgames only, especially when edge guarding. And every one of Bowser's attack is a kill move, so "watch out for F-Tilt and U-tilt and Bair!" isn't helpful. His D-Tilt is more effective than all of those.. the person who posted that didn't know squat. If you do that retarded DownB with DK I'll just step back and use my fire, or I'll jump in and grab you with my SideB. LUL 20%. I can tell the person writing that doesn't know sh*t because he calls Bowser slow? The only slow thing about Bowser is his F-Smash... everything else is quick. My tilts have just as much range as DK's do, and are just as fast starting up. Mine have more power and a tiny bit more cooldown time, though (not enough to be punished). No reach for his moves? Bowser has amazing reach... all of his attacks that have swipes, the cutting of the air is part of the hitbox, and all of them that don't, the hitbox extends past the body part. Why would a Bowser use the same tilt twice in a row? You dodge my first one I run in and grab you with my SideB (since you'll be setting up a tilt or smash of your own) and eat you. It's hard to keep Bowser in the air because I have many tactics of getting down, I can just do my DownB to the ledge, I can space myself with the fire as I'm falling, I can do lots of things. It's easy to mindgame DK into letting go of his F-Smash early so I can get to the ledge. Bowser's recovery is infinitely better than DK's, it rises much higher and has a tendency to put me on the stage (while spinning and damaging) rather than grabbing the ledge, which prevents edge hogging. Again, "don't attack too recklessly", DK cannot approach Bowser because of his flamethrower. If you do manage to get close it'll be with a hop and that's easily countered. If you manage to roll into me my UpB or DownSmash will send you away.

There we go.

Dorkfish · 08-03-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ZEROLAZAR

Ike's initial two punches have crappy range dude. Go test Bowser, watch how far his claw swipes go. Yes, Ike's is a better neutral combo. It doesn't have more range though.

That combo doesn't work on Bowser at a percent above 20. I can just fair you before you get the tilt in. Klaw hopping everywhere all the time is retarded, only noob Bowsers do that. You have to use it for mindgames only, especially when edge guarding. And every one of Bowser's attack is a kill move, so "watch out for F-Tilt and U-tilt and Bair!" isn't helpful. His D-Tilt is more effective than all of those.. the person who posted that didn't know squat. If you do that retarded DownB with DK I'll just step back and use my fire, or I'll jump in and grab you with my SideB. LUL 20%. I can tell the person writing that doesn't know sh*t because he calls Bowser slow? The only slow thing about Bowser is his F-Smash... everything else is quick. My tilts have just as much range as DK's do, and are just as fast starting up. Mine have more power and a tiny bit more cooldown time, though (not enough to be punished). No reach for his moves? Bowser has amazing reach... all of his attacks that have swipes, the cutting of the air is part of the hitbox, and all of them that don't, the hitbox extends past the body part. Why would a Bowser use the same tilt twice in a row? You dodge my first one I run in and grab you with my SideB (since you'll be setting up a tilt or smash of your own) and eat you. It's hard to keep Bowser in the air because I have many tactics of getting down, I can just do my DownB to the ledge, I can space myself with the fire as I'm falling, I can do lots of things. It's easy to mindgame DK into letting go of his F-Smash early so I can get to the ledge. Bowser's recovery is infinitely better than DK's, it rises much higher and has a tendency to put me on the stage (while spinning and damaging) rather than grabbing the ledge, which prevents edge hogging. Again, "don't attack too recklessly", DK cannot approach Bowser because of his flamethrower. If you do manage to get close it'll be with a hop and that's easily countered. If you manage to roll into me my UpB or DownSmash will send you away.

There we go.

Meh, I don't want to argue because alcohol is ftw. Check my new tier list out

ZEROLAZAR · 08-03-2008, 09:35 AM

Where is it? I'm not much of a drinker, sex is more FTW.

Dorkfish · 08-03-2008, 09:37 AM

http://www.wiichat.com/brawl-charact...tier-list.html

Twilight Hero · 08-03-2008, 07:17 PM

Yay, a new tier list.

ZEROLAZAR · 08-03-2008, 07:18 PM

I'm about to fight Kayuo... should I be worried?

Twilight Hero · 08-03-2008, 07:35 PM

Kayuo is a beast. XD

spiff-ssbb · 08-03-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rmag37

@ZL regardless of who you main, there will always be someone better then you. Well unless your the best lol.

captain obvious

haha kidding

anax4aero · 08-06-2008, 03:58 AM

time to bring this thing back up, I miss decent discussions.

So what do you guys think of Lucario? I've been using him recently and he owns more than he's given credit. Excellent combo ability and the aura skill makes it harder to even touch him. Also, his wall cling is actually useful and can be done after extreme speed. Yoshi's Island with Lucario, for example, often means three stocking the opponent without much difficulty.

ZEROLAZAR · 08-06-2008, 08:00 AM

Lucario is op'd at like 70%. Alot under that and he's weak, alot over that and it doesn't really matter. Lmfao

I think he's great.

C:/Funeral · 08-06-2008, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dorkfish

I call thousandth post

DK vs Bowser

This is a decent match for DK, he has a slight upper hand. Bowser is like the Ultimate Chimera, slow and powerful, while DK is like a giant F-Zero Racer, fast and powerful. This match-up should not give you much trouble at all except for the occasional Klaw-hop or whatever it's called now. This is kind of like Ganondorf's over-b but you have a little bit less time to react to it since bowser falls faster than Ganondorf. Bowser has barely any reach for his aerials or his ground moves except for his F-tilt, up-tilt, and bair which are their kill moves so expect them to use them when you are at high%. If you do get hit by an up tilt and are at relatively low % they will most likely use another if you do not move very far so dodge ahead of time this is a very fast tilt. Use your tilts (and Down-b if your opponent doesn't Klaw hop everywhere all the time) to space yourself. If you happen to grab them at extremely low % then a great combo to use is down throw to F-tilt along with DK punch. This combo is highly effective against all the heavy characters. In this match-up you will most likely want to hit bowser up and kill with uair rather than bair because his recovery is just like yours, horizontal. For edge guarding just do a F-smash as this hits below the ledge also. Don't attack too recklessly to because they fortress out of shield more than we do side-b or up-b out of shield.

basic vs Bowser stuff found on smashboards.

EDIT: **** YOU CHARON!!!

I wanted thousandth post...

Also, BOWSERS AAA HAS GREAT RANGE??? WHAT GAME ARE YOU PLAYING??? Ike's AAA combo is the best AAA in the game. Speed, Range, Power. His best move(s) imo

Also, FYI, there are less Toon Link mains than Bowser mains

I would like to see DK win for a change.

anax4aero · 08-07-2008, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ZEROLAZAR

Lucario is op'd at like 70%. Alot under that and he's weak, alot over that and it doesn't really matter. Lmfao

I think he's great.

Not really. A lot of his best combos work even at 0%, the aura just makes it easier and gives him strength as the match progresses. It's not that necessary to be at high % to own with him.

ZEROLAZAR · 08-07-2008, 04:08 AM

I know that :P. I love his AA SideB chaingrab combo. Start your AA combo, but use the close-range SideB instead of the last A hit, and then proceed to chaingrab them at low percents. It's awesome. His fair and Uair also combo really well.

Dorkfish · 08-07-2008, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by anax4aero

Not really. A lot of his best combos work even at 0%, the aura just makes it easier and gives him strength as the match progresses. It's not that necessary to be at high % to own with him.

If hes at 0 percent hes only going to do like 15 damage though...

anax4aero · 08-07-2008, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ZEROLAZAR

I know that :P. I love his AA SideB chaingrab combo. Start your AA combo, but use the close-range SideB instead of the last A hit, and then proceed to chaingrab them at low percents. It's awesome. His fair and Uair also combo really well.

Yea, saw that combo and more on youtube. Nair is also wonderful, and the tilts. Pretty much it just takes getting used to his weird speed and movement, and with little time you're owning with his combos. I know other characters can combo better, but Lucario is the one I can combo the best with, followed by Samus.