Art thread

[Gikoku Harakami]

Originally Posted by Brawny

Anyone who's a bit free with the "expression of my inner self" thing sort of scares me.

Expressionism isn't my cup of tea at all.

You read too deeply into things, Adam. Commonly taking things out of context too.

[Brawny]

I get what you meant. I'm just going further on since we're listing what genres we dislike.

They're certainly expressing themselves. I wouldn't necessarily call it art though...



As for philosophy, I'd rather define it as something that makes you think.

[Diomedes]

That's a great photomanip there Gymdawg! (previous page)

Originally Posted by Brawny

Anyone who's a bit free with the "expression of my inner self" thing sort of scares me.

Expressionism isn't my cup of tea at all.

Hmm, many people say that. I have no intention to generalize or label you under characteristic traits. But. You don't need to necessarily enjoy pieces under the catergory of expressionism in order to appreciate them. At best you could except that it is a fairly personal piece of work that expresses one's feelings or intepretations (well you know the definition). I rather enjoy good pieces of expressionism, half the fun is trying to figure what the message(s) are and just appreciate how they put it together on a canvas. None of us have the right to define what exactly art is.

It would need to be more than just scribbles though =P The example you have given Brawny is a good one.

[Bodine]

Originally Posted by Bio

Cartoon is an old term, but it's a correct one. It originally meant the unfinished sketch-stage in works of old-century artists, but the coining of it makes sense. Those artists always blueprinted with minimalistic details and complete line-contours before finishing them. That same sketchwork appearance has been mimicked and turned into its own art form centuries later.

The word that's actually being used incorrectly, is Realism, but that requires too much effort to explain...so I'm sure we all know what we mean when it's used in here.

"Realism" and Cartoon are like two opposites, so DR.MARIO's opinions aren't unusual. The catch, though, is that the opposing strengths allow an artist of one to always learn from an artist of the other. The beauty of cartoon is its abstract, various approach. The beauty of realism is its orderly approach. I feel that getting caught up in either without acknowledging the other makes that artist too limited. To excel in both makes you unstoppable. In art, you pretty much have to tolerate everything equally.



That's kind of my philosophy as an artist. In my style, I tend to like walking a signature bridge between "realistic" and cartoon since I find merits within both approaches that I like to use. I think extremes of either can be too uninteresting (pure cartoon can often feel too ridiculous...pure realism can often feel too unexpressive) I appreciate attraction of minimalism and contour in cartoon and the power of depth and recognition with "realism". (Hence my avatar and sig)

*Looks at Gikoku's avatar*

Oh crap, I'VE BEEN SPOTTED!

*runs*

agreed

thats why I love your style. I try the same thing. Even on things such as Sonic (my specialty ) Often showing the fur, shading, wrinkles and lines on his hands, fabric of his gloves, etc.

[Diomedes]

Darn I wish I could draw.

I can paint, do mosaics and photography. But drawing a simple face eludes me. I blame the hand cramps from too much gaming

[Bodine]

Originally Posted by Diomedes

Darn I wish I could draw.

I can paint, do mosaics and photography. But drawing a simple face eludes me. I blame the hand cramps from too much gaming

So thats what the kids are callin it these days

[Frogger]

Originally Posted by Gikoku Harakami

This is rather ironic, considering your 'Man in the Snow' piece looks more cartoony than it does real. I also remember that time we both talked on Windows Messenger, and you showed a lack of respect for those who do line art, such as: manga, cartoons, anime, etc, claiming them to be less skilled than a realistic artist. As well as those who do digital art such as drawing on the computer, calling them cheaters and claiming they couldn't recreate their work on a real canvas.

Too bad you felt the need to type in caps to try and 'win' the argument against me, following with a "I still win". You really offended me, and it's hard to forget that.

Oh thank you so so much. I've been trying to tell him this for the longest time. Not like he'll listen. ;D

...Art for me means making something pretty. I don't think I'd have anything to do throughout my childhood if not. It's horrible to think what I'd be doing without it. xD

[Bio]

Originally Posted by Bodine

agreed

thats why I love your style. I try the same thing. Even on things such as Sonic (my specialty ) Often showing the fur, shading, wrinkles and lines on his hands, fabric of his gloves, etc.

Thanks! I don't often get compliments on my "style".

Interestingly, Sonic the Hedgehog has a lot to do with my drawing as well. I started drawing out with drawing only Sonic for most of my childhood, who was also my specialty before I moved on to people and human figures. Sonic inspired me to get into drawing in the first place, actually (as well as gaming).

[Bodine]

Same here

As a kid my notebook was filled with Sonic. And Spaz (The artist for the Sonic the Hedgehog comic books) inspired me to become a better artist. His unique style was so amazing to me when I was young.

[Bio]

Exactly. Spaz is pretty much godlike.

Haha, so you collected the comics, too. That was where my inspiration developed, and I'm sure yours as well.

[Brawny]

So do you think you have to be born with an aversion to drawing, or can you just force yourself to be good over a long enough period of time?

[Sixty]

Originally Posted by Brawny

So do you think you have to be born with an aversion to drawing, or can you just force yourself to be good over a long enough period of time?

Obviously you have to be born with it as it mostly shows up in the family. Everyone will progress at everything naturally, it doesn't meant you're forcing yourself to be good at it. It's just what happens. Art is the most boring waiting game of your life for improvement though. I don't think you can force yourself. Otherwise, I would have forced myself to be good at singing or something.

And that drawing you posted has very good lines. I like it, a lot.

[Bodine]

Originally Posted by Brawny

So do you think you have to be born with an aversion to drawing, or can you just force yourself to be good over a long enough period of time?

I always figured I inherited it from my dad. He was a great artist back when he drew. He was one of those artist that could draw a person and make it look like a photo. He always tried to get me to draw more realistic things but I wound up being a cartoonist

EDIT: @ Bio yeah I collected a few. IMO his best work was in the late 90s Knuckles the Echidna comics. And really it was a mix between that and the 90s Venom comics from Marvel that inspired me.

[DRMARIO]

Originally Posted by Gikoku Harakami

This is rather ironic, considering your 'Man in the Snow' piece looks more cartoony than it does real. I also remember that time we both talked on Windows Messenger, and you showed a lack of respect for those who do line art, such as: manga, cartoons, anime, etc, claiming them to be less skilled than a realistic artist. As well as those who do digital art such as drawing on the computer, calling them cheaters and claiming they couldn't recreate their work on a real canvas.

Too bad you felt the need to type in caps to try and 'win' the argument against me, following with a "I still win". You really offended me, and it's hard to forget that.

...I offend people. That's life.

And 'The man with the balloon' piece looks far from cartoon. Far from extremely unrealistic, like cartoon, thank you. I enjoy realistic things. I'm not the most talented artist in the world. I just do what I can, and most of the time I'm pleased. A lot of the time, I hate what I do, because it's not of the standard I wish it would be. So I'm not at all aspiring to be a cartoonist, or indeed produce pieces that unrealistic. I do the best I can.

Oh, and yeah, I do type in caps.

When it comes to Art 'Philosophy', I'm not one that's intrigued by 'this means this' or 'this means that'.
Art is purely what you see, or hear in the case of music. As long as it's beautiful, aesthetically pleasing, or pleasant on the eye - whatever.

I can't easily describe Art that I like. I can't describe kinds of Art that I like.

By stating that I don't like cartoon, I'm talking really rather broadly. I mean most unrealistic things, most unreleastic characters etc.

I do, however, enjoy some less realistic pieces. For example:



Paul Corfield, I think is amazing. I love his work, yet it is somewhat unrealistic.
There's always exceptions.

[Bio]

Originally Posted by Brawny

So do you think you have to be born with an aversion to drawing, or can you just force yourself to be good over a long enough period of time?

It doesn't matter, really. People think that only because it's usually a considerably longer process if you aren't averted to it already (it's still very possible, though).

What makes it difficult for the uninclined is that there is trouble wrapping around the brain that making Art might be only 20% about what you see and 80% what you know, when most would actually assume it's the reverse, being the seeing creatures we are. To make realistic shading on an apple isn't based on how well you see the apple in front of you, but how well you understand the behavior of shadows itself as they wrap around a form like that (the apple). It is this inclination to understanding how you need to execute something that gets your momentum going in Art. If you're artistically inclined, it only means you can get that momentum moving sooner. To really start understanding something, though, takes quite a bit of time and practice.

This is why, like Sixty said, you can't force yourself to improve. There will naturally be times where you have to educate yourself, of course (which is forceful in itself), but executing what you learn won't look as polished as you'd like for a long while; it is through this where it cannot be forced.

[Bodine]

Originally Posted by DRMARIO

...I offend people. That's life.

And 'The man with the balloon' piece looks far from cartoon. Far from extremely unrealistic, like cartoon, thank you. I enjoy realistic things. I'm not the most talented artist in the world. I just do what I can, and most of the time I'm pleased. A lot of the time, I hate what I do, because it's not of the standard I wish it would be. So I'm not at all aspiring to be a cartoonist, or indeed produce pieces that unrealistic. I do the best I can.

Oh, and yeah, I do type in caps.

When it comes to Art 'Philosophy', I'm not one that's intrigued by 'this means this' or 'this means that'.
Art is purely what you see, or hear in the case of music. As long as it's beautiful, aesthetically pleasing, or pleasant on the eye - whatever.

I can't easily describe Art that I like. I can't describe kinds of Art that I like.

By stating that I don't like cartoon, I'm talking really rather broadly. I mean most unrealistic things, most unreleastic characters etc.

I do, however, enjoy some less realistic pieces. For example:



Paul Corfield, I think is amazing. I love his work, yet it is somewhat unrealistic.
There's always exceptions.

I dunno it (The Man in the Snow) looked somewhat like a cartoon to me. Cartoon doesn't necessarily mean extreamly unrealistic.

[DRMARIO]

..man with the balloon.

The man wasn't the focus. The man looked horrible. The rest was not unrealistic.

And of course cartoon means unrealistic! I'd be fuggin' petrified if I saw a cartoon walking through town.

Like I just said. I'm no famous artist. I do my friggin' best.

[Bodine]

But you make it sound like there can be absolutley no realism to anything cartoony. That as most of us know is not true. Well atleast I know.

[DRMARIO]

That makes no sense.

[Bodine]

Thats because you see black and white. No shades of grey. To you realistic and cartoon are terms of what artwork is.