Favorite Rapper/Hip Hop Artist

Bliss · 01-10-2008, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FRuMMaGe

"poetry"?

Here is some of a rap song directly copied from a lyrics website.

Now please explain why that is "art" and not just some angry as**ole moaning?

ok Frummage i see ur point and though i am not a huge "rap" fan i can argue for it.

First off the lyrics u post there is "rap" which is pure garbage...look at the real side of it "Hip Hop" which is not a genre of music. Its a culture or a belief system that was birthed out of a desire to manifest one's self in a society that was deemed unfair to African-American's in the early 1970's.

I myself being "white" and having grown up in Brooklyn NY, home to A LOT of hip hop artists, i grew fond of the art growing up.

Hip-Hop taught the youth, and still teaches indirectly, that you can be who you want to be in the sense of not being what people want you to be. That has a certain truth to it, but if taken the wrong way, it turns into rebellion against basic laws and truths that govern our society as a whole (which is why so many kids think today "rap" is all about packin heat and sellin drugs and pimpin hoes). Hip-Hop began to change the very appearance of its followers by creating a look, a way of governing yourself, and a language that should be spoken. What this created was a subculture of our American culture, and it caused our youth to go against the basic pattern of society and manifest their own will regardless of what it cost them socially and spiritually. It is basically the samething as you a "hardcore" person is. You have ur own way of dressing, acting and beliefs.

Believe it or not Hip Hop is an art, a Poem, a drawing on a wall, the way someone dresses.

In my honest opinon, i would choose hip hop over hardcore that you listen to. cuz first off i can understand what the artist is saying and second i can relate to it better even though i am white, because i grew up in Brooklyn, NY. People are quick to judge the face of it all, but if you actually take the time to get to know the "culture" it is a wonderful thing.

King Wiired · 01-10-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bliss

ok Frummage i see ur point and though i am not a huge "rap" fan i can argue for it.

First off the lyrics u post there is "rap" which is pure garbage...look at the real side of it "Hip Hop" which is not a genre of music. Its a culture or a belief system that was birthed out of a desire to manifest one's self in a society that was deemed unfair to African-American's in the early 1970's.

I myself being "white" and having grown up in Brooklyn NY, home to A LOT of hip hop artists, i grew fond of the art growing up.

Hip-Hop taught the youth, and still teaches indirectly, that you can be who you want to be in the sense of not being what people want you to be. That has a certain truth to it, but if taken the wrong way, it turns into rebellion against basic laws and truths that govern our society as a whole (which is why so many kids think today "rap" is all about packin heat and sellin drugs and pimpin hoes). Hip-Hop began to change the very appearance of its followers by creating a look, a way of governing yourself, and a language that should be spoken. What this created was a subculture of our American culture, and it caused our youth to go against the basic pattern of society and manifest their own will regardless of what it cost them socially and spiritually. It is basically the samething as you a "hardcore" person is. You have ur own way of dressing, acting and beliefs.

Believe it or not Hip Hop is an art, a Poem, a drawing on a wall, the way someone dresses.

In my honest opinon, i would choose hip hop over hardcore that you listen to. cuz first off i can understand what the artist is saying and second i can relate to it better even though i am white, because i grew up in Brooklyn, NY. People are quick to judge the face of it all, but if you actually take the time to get to know the "culture" it is a wonderful thing.

I'm speechless. I read the whole of that post, and agreed completly. I've been a big Hip-hop fan for a good few years, and I've argued my case that Hip-hop really isn't the mainstream rap that everyone bases it on. In all honesty, when I first got into the whole genre, I'd mainly listen to West Coast music, NWA, Snoop Dogg etc.. and didn't even think about the lyrics - even nowadays I'll be having a shower and just start rapping a bit of 'From the depths of the sea, back to the block, Snoop Doggy Doggy funky, yes but of the Doc...'

But then I did some research on artists, started listening to lyrics, and had a realisation of real Hip-hop, and that, even though there's a minority, there are lyrics that actually mean something, rather then stereotypical rapper.

I'll be back later with some inspirational verses, can think of some good storytelling ones, but I'll put some thought into it so it doesn't get stereotyped.

BRING ON TEH FLAMINGZ

Samus101 · 01-10-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FRuMMaGe

"poetry"?

Here is some of a rap song directly copied from a lyrics website.

Now please explain why that is "art" and not just some angry as**ole moaning?

For once, I'm gonna agree with FRuMMaGe.

King Wiired · 01-10-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Samus101

For once, I'm gonna agree with FRuMMaGe.

Generalising from one rap song..?

Bliss · 01-10-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Samus101

For once, I'm gonna agree with FRuMMaGe.

like Wiired has just said "from one rap song?"

Did u even read the 2 posts above that Wiired and myself have typed?

FRuMMaGe · 01-10-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bliss

like Wiired has just said "from one rap song?"

Did u even read the 2 posts above that Wiired and myself have typed?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences.

I am just saying that I personally don't consider rap or hip-hop to be art or poetry.

That doesn't mean to say it ISN'T. I just don't consider it to be.

Bliss · 01-10-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FRuMMaGe

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences.

I am just saying that I personally don't consider rap or hip-hop to be art or poetry.

That doesn't mean to say it ISN'T. I just don't consider it to be.

ok i understand that, but what is your reason for not considering it poetry when it clearly is?

Samus101 · 01-10-2008, 09:53 AM

Well... almost of the rap songs I always end up hearing are trash. I do to clean hip hop and some rap though.

Bliss · 01-10-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Samus101

Well... all of the rap songs I always end up hearing are trash

why dont u try this song

Video and Lyrics to Tupac - Changes

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psBEj6cUXyk[/MEDIA]

Come on come on
I see no changes wake up in the morning and I ask myself
is life worth living should I blast myself?
I'm tired of bein' poor and even worse I'm black
my stomach hurts so I'm lookin' for a purse to snatch
Cops give a damn about a negro
pull the trigger kill a nigga he's a hero
Give crack to the kids who the hell cares
one less ugly mouth on the welfare
First ship 'em dope & let 'em deal the brothers
give 'em guns step back watch 'em kill each other
It's time to fight back that's what Huey said
2 shots in the dark now Huey's dead
I got love for my brother but we can never go nowhere
unless we share with each other
We gotta start makin' changes
learn to see me as a brother instead of 2 distant strangers
and that's how it's supposed to be
How can the Devil take a brother if he's close to me?
I'd love to go back to when we played as kids
but things changed, and that's the way it is

[Bridge w/ changing ad libs]
Come on come on
That's just the way it is
Things'll never be the same
That's just the way it is
aww yeah
[Repeat]

I see no changes all I see is racist faces
misplaced hate makes disgrace to races
We under I wonder what it takes to make this
one better place, let's erase the wasted
Take the evil out the people they'll be acting right
'cause both black and white is smokin' crack tonight
and only time we chill is when we kill each other
it takes skill to be real, time to heal each other
And although it seems heaven sent
We ain't ready, to see a black President, uhh
It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact
the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks
But some things will never change
try to show another way but you stayin' in the dope game
Now tell me what's a mother to do
bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you
You gotta operate the easy way
"I made a G today" But you made it in a sleazy way
sellin' crack to the kid. " I gotta get paid,"
Well hey, well that's the way it is

[Bridge]

[Talking: ]
We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.

And still I see no changes can't a brother get a little peace
It's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East
Instead of war on poverty they got a war on drugs
so the police can bother me
And I ain't never did a crime I ain't have to do
But now I'm back with the blacks givin' it back to you
Don't let 'em jack you up, back you up,
crack you up and pimp smack you up
You gotta learn to hold ya own
they get jealous when they see ya with ya mobile phone
But tell the cops they can't touch this
I don't trust this when they try to rush I bust this
That's the sound of my tool you say it ain't cool
my mama didn't raise no fool
And as long as I stay black I gotta stay strapped
& I never get to lay back
'Cause I always got to worry 'bout the pay backs
some buck that I roughed up way back
comin' back after all these years
rat-a-tat-tat-tat-tat that's the way it is uhh

Samus101 · 01-10-2008, 09:56 AM

Yes, it does have meaning, but it's still NOT clean.

FRuMMaGe · 01-10-2008, 09:57 AM

It just doesn't appeal to me. I can see why people might like it, but I don't.

Bliss · 01-10-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Samus101

Yes, it does have meaning, but it's still NOT clean.

what do u mean by "clean"...no song in the general population that is played on the radio is "clean"

Samus101 · 01-10-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bliss

what do u mean by "clean"...no song in the general population that is played on the radio is "clean"

You wouldn't understand, I'm a Christian. So I don't really listen to the radio, I listen to Christian Music.

Bliss · 01-10-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Samus101

You wouldn't understand, I'm a Christian. So I don't really listen to the radio, I listen to Christian Music.

no i do understand that, and there is Christian rap out ther also

Samus101 · 01-10-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bliss

no i do understand that, and there is Christian rap out ther also

Yes there is, if you actually looked you would find some.

King Wiired · 01-10-2008, 10:05 AM

Clean lyrics I'm thinking..

An example of the opposite to the stereotype is Nas - I Can

A song to show an old storytelling hiphop song is this - back then there was a little amount of meaningful lyricists.

Common - I Used To Love H.E.R

[media]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y12YgEIFcAY[/media]

Lyrics:

Spoiler Alert!

Only when I started listening to lyrics, I realised that the whole song he was referring to Hip-hop.

Bliss · 01-10-2008, 10:09 AM

I actually dont know much about the Christian rap scene but i do know it started gettin bigger when Kanye West came out with Jesus Walks.

Samus101 · 01-10-2008, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiired

Clean lyrics I'm thinking..

An example of the opposite to the stereotype is Nas - I Can

A song to show an old storytelling hiphop song is this - back then there was a little amount of meaningful lyricists.

Common - I Used To Love H.E.R

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y12YgEIFcAY

Lyrics:

Spoiler Alert!

Only when I started listening to lyrics, I realised that the whole song he was referring to Hip-hop.

*Sighs* Its still NOT clean.

Bliss · 01-10-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Samus101

*Sighs* Its still NOT clean.

so u wont be satisfied till we show you "clean" rap?

if thats the case i know i cant, cuz like i stated earlier i am not into that scene of hip hop.

King Wiired · 01-10-2008, 10:21 AM

Hmm clean.. Nas - I Can, youtube it ;]

Also, arguably the best verse of 2007

Da Art of Storytellin' Pt. 4 - Outkast

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3VNuOMNL8Rs

So I’m watching her fine ass
walked to my bedroom
and thought to myself that’s the shape of things to come
she said ‘why in the club you don’t make it precipitate?
you know make it rain when you can make thunderstorm’
I’m like why? the world needs sun, the hood needs funds
there’s a war going on and half the battle is guns
how dare i throw it on the floor
when people are poor
so I write like Edgar Allen to restore
got a cord, umbilical
attached to a place that can’t afford
no landscaping
or window draping
this old lady told me if I ain’t got nothing good say naythin
that’s why I don’t talk much
I swear it don’t cost much
to pay attention to me
I tell it how it is then how it could be
the hood be
requesting my services
oh don’t get nervous it’s
step your game up time
these ain’t them same old rhymes
designed to have you dancing in some club
niggas rock to me
women be off in they tubs
exfoliating with they pom poms
yelling ‘go 3000′
I’m in my whatever bumping nwa 100 miles and
runnin’, runnin’, runnin’, runnin’
summon, woman, come in, sit down
heard you need some plumbing
done in, i’m in
a swell mood
a rather swoll mood
until she told me that she told dude
that she’d be back she’s going to the store
I didn’t know she had a boyfriend so the door
I pointed her to
I said call me when you break up
I don’t **** nobody bitch who never owned a Jacob
know what time it is
nigga just tryin’ to live like a nigga supposed to live
if I still drank that malt liquor I’d pour the beer
on the ground for niggas not a around
I started off starvin’
now they got me out here Brett Favre’in
tryin’ see if I still got it, got it
I guess it’s like a bike, think about it…

<3

3 stacks = possibly GOAT imo.

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01-10-2008, 09:56 AM	#50
Samus101 Super Hunter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: -=CLASSIFIED=- Number of Kills: Over 100000 Bounty Earned: $925786857 Posts: 838 Friends: 0	Yes, it does have meaning, but it's still NOT clean. __________________ ^Thanks for the sweet sig, manred!^ Online Wii Games: BWII, MSC, Medal of Honor 2: Heroes, and SSBB MoH: H2 Persona: Jonny Rambo MSC Name: Gabe BWII Name: Gabriel SSBB Name: GaS SSBB FC: 0130-1580-5884

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01-10-2008, 10:05 AM	#56
King Wiired HITLER ME JEZ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status : Stunnin' Posts: 5,825 Friends: 31 8756-4872-6334-8478 Blog Entries: 1	Clean lyrics I'm thinking.. An example of the opposite to the stereotype is Nas - I Can A song to show an old storytelling hiphop song is this - back then there was a little amount of meaningful lyricists. Common - I Used To Love H.E.R [media]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y12YgEIFcAY[/media] Lyrics: Spoiler Alert! [Chorus] yes yes y'all and you don't stop to the beat yall and ya don't stop yes, yes y'all and you don't stop 1,2 y'all, and ya don't stop yes, yes y'all and you don't stop to the beat comm-sense'll be the sure shock Verse One: I met this girl, when I was 10 years old And what I loved most, she had so much soul She was old school, when I was just a shorty Never knew throughout my life she would be there for me on the regular, not a church girl, she was secular Not about the money, no studs was mic checkin her But I respected her, she hit me in the heart A few New York niggaz, had did her in the park But she was there for me, and I was there for her Pull out a chair for her, turn on the air for her and just cool out, cool out and listen to her Sittin on bone, wishin that I could do her Eventually if it was meant to be, then it would be cuz' we related, physically and mentally And she was fun then, I'd be geeked when she'd come around Slim was fresh jo, when she was underground Original, pure untampered and down sister Boy I tell ya, I miss her [Chorus] yes yes y'all and you don't stop to the beat yall and ya don't stop yes, yes y'all and you don't stop 1, 2 y'all, and ya don't stop yes, yes y'all and you don't stop comm-sense ya'll and ya don't stop yes, yes y'all and you don't stop you act yo, we gotta be the sure shock Verse Two: Now periodically I would see ol' girl at the clubs, and at the house parties She didn't have a body but she started gettin' thick quick Did a couple of videos and became afrocentric Out goes the weave, in goes the braids beads medallions She was on that tip about, stoppin the violence About my people she was teachin me But not preachin to me but speakin to me in a method that was leisurely, so easily I approached She dug my rap, that's how we got close But then she broke to the West coast, and that was cool Cause around the same time, I went away to school And I'm a man of expandin', so why should I stand in her way? She probably get her money in L.A. And she did stud, she got big pub but what was foul She said that the pro-black, was goin out of style She said, "Afrocentricity, was of the past." So she got into R&B hip-house bass and jazz Now black music is black music and it's all good I wasn't salty, she was with the boys in the hood Cause that was good for her, she was becomin well rounded I thought it was dope how she was on that freestyle shit Just havin' fun, not worried about anyone And you could tell, by how her titties hung [Chorus] yes yes y'all and you don't stop to the beat yall and ya don't stop yes, yes y'all and you don't stop 1,2 y'all, and ya don't stop yes, yes y'all and you don't stop to the beat comm gotta be the sure shock Verse Three: I might've failed to mention that the chick was creative But once the man got to her, he altered the native Told her if she got an image and a gimmick That she could make money, and she did it like a dummy Now I see her in commercials, she's universal She used to only swing it with the inner-city circle Now she be in the burbs lookin' rock and dressin' hip And on some dumb shit, when she comes to the city Talkin about poppin glocks, servin rocks, and hittin switches Now she's a gangsta rollin with gangsta bitches Always smokin blunts and gettin drunk Tellin me sad stories, now she only ****s with the funk Stressin how hardcore and real she is She was really the realest, before she got into show-biz I did her, not just to say that I did it But I'm committed, but so many niggaz hit it That she's just not the same lettin all these groupies do her I see niggaz slammin her, and takin her to the sewer But I'ma take her back hopin that the shit stop Cause who I'm talkin bout y'all is hip-hop Only when I started listening to lyrics, I realised that the whole song he was referring to Hip-hop. __________________

01-10-2008, 10:21 AM	#60
King Wiired HITLER ME JEZ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status : Stunnin' Posts: 5,825 Friends: 31 8756-4872-6334-8478 Blog Entries: 1	Hmm clean.. Nas - I Can, youtube it ;] Also, arguably the best verse of 2007 Da Art of Storytellin' Pt. 4 - Outkast http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3VNuOMNL8Rs So I’m watching her fine ass walked to my bedroom and thought to myself that’s the shape of things to come she said ‘why in the club you don’t make it precipitate? you know make it rain when you can make thunderstorm’ I’m like why? the world needs sun, the hood needs funds there’s a war going on and half the battle is guns how dare i throw it on the floor when people are poor so I write like Edgar Allen to restore got a cord, umbilical attached to a place that can’t afford no landscaping or window draping this old lady told me if I ain’t got nothing good say naythin that’s why I don’t talk much I swear it don’t cost much to pay attention to me I tell it how it is then how it could be the hood be requesting my services oh don’t get nervous it’s step your game up time these ain’t them same old rhymes designed to have you dancing in some club niggas rock to me women be off in they tubs exfoliating with they pom poms yelling ‘go 3000′ I’m in my whatever bumping nwa 100 miles and runnin’, runnin’, runnin’, runnin’ summon, woman, come in, sit down heard you need some plumbing done in, i’m in a swell mood a rather swoll mood until she told me that she told dude that she’d be back she’s going to the store I didn’t know she had a boyfriend so the door I pointed her to I said call me when you break up I don’t **** nobody bitch who never owned a Jacob know what time it is nigga just tryin’ to live like a nigga supposed to live if I still drank that malt liquor I’d pour the beer on the ground for niggas not a around I started off starvin’ now they got me out here Brett Favre’in tryin’ see if I still got it, got it I guess it’s like a bike, think about it… <3 3 stacks = possibly GOAT imo. __________________


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