Okay, play ball.
If you trust wikipedia so much, please scroll down further to where it states: "Carnage meets the Black Cat during the Maximum Carnage storyline, but in Venom Vs Carnage they don't recognize each other. This contradiction continued in the Toxin limited series when the Black Cat sees Toxin"When the symbiote returned and bonded with Eddie to form the entity known as Venom, the supervillain unwittingly left behind a spawn which merged itself into Kasady's bloodstream. One night, Kasady murdered a guard and escaped prison, beginning a series of gruesome
and seemingly random murders. At the scene of each crime, he'd write "Carnage Rules" on the walls with his own blood. He was found by Spider-Man, though the hero proved to be no match for the Venom spawn. In desperation, Spider-Man made what would be the first of many
truces with Venom to fight Carnage."
for the first time."
Venom vs Carnage is a different Storyline Arc. Kthx, Plz try harder.
It seems the films dont follow any of the Arc's; Comics, Animated series, original movies or Games, What's your point?You've got that story-line from the Ultimate Spider-man series, which the film s DON'T follow. So YOU get YOUR facts right, Mr. Great Debater.
Only reason you'd be dissappointed is because its obvious you are comparing him to Venom. Of course against Venom, The Lizard seems like a lowly adversary, but he is more for the storyline than the action-packed fight scenes. The Lizard is as much part of the story as Mary Jane.Firstly, the Lizard being a shit enemy, ok that's just a clash of opinions, so there isn't a right answer but if they brought out Spider-man 4 with the enemy as the Lizard I'd be very disappointed.
As is Curt Conners has already been in the first 3 movies, funny that.
Again, Venom Vs Carnage is a different Story Arc, and here's a glimpse of information for you. The Symbiote, original Symbiote, bonded with Parker at first. He takes a piece to Conners, to find out 'what' it is. This leaves a part of the original symbiote on hold, Parker removes the suite, it then bonds with Brock.You're wrong, read "Venom vs Carnage" and then we'll talk. Although there probably won't be a need to as you would have realised that you're wrong and look stupid. Actually I'll spare you the time of reading it, here's a few quotes from Venom in "Venom vs Carnage":
Oh, here's a good one - "I'm your father..."
This one is also good - "Carnage, I've loathed you like a son"
This is a VERY good one - "Carnage, my son..."
Brock gains knowledge of spiderman because of the suit, thus why he can sling out webs and he cannot be detected by spidermans "Spider-Sense". because of this Venom believes he is now a higher being, the piece of original symbiote to him is inferior and he considers it his lesser spawn. Thus why he calls it "Son"
in some comics. They really are still one in the same being, its just the symbiote that attached to Spiderman for longer, gained his abilities. Once the piece of Symbiote in the lab is fused with blood, he does call him "Halfbreed" when he first finds him, also when Carnage is about to kill Blackcat, he calls
him "Halfbreed" to gain his attention, and get his attention off Blackcat(she told Venom she knew a way for him to fuse back with Carnage, he needed her).
I take it you haven't read either the comics or seen Spiderman 3, because..However, Sandman wasn't really an "Enemy of Spidermans", he only Robbed Banks(Enemy of the City), but Spiderman stopped him to keep the order.
Wrong. He went after him because he killed Uncle Ben.
Spoiler Alert!Sandman & Spiderman have a bout before Peter even KNEW that he was the killer. He had already believed that Burglar had killed him, and he had already taken out his revenge.
So no, he wasn't really an "Enemy of Spidermans" he only Robbed Banks(Enemy of the City). Which i used as a metaphor for Carnage not really being an Enemy of Spidermans, but he still stopped him because he was doing harm to the city.
So, how is a raging killing machine(Carnage) not an enemy of Spidey's? "Hrm, he's not robbing a Bank.. I'll allow it." *Shoots webs off and swings around the city* (WTF?) NO.. plz get your facts straight. It's idiotic saying he's not an enemy of Spidermans.(Sorry, but its true)
I stand by my statement.
And every Director knows that if they dont try and follow what the fans want, their movies dont sell. Movies dont sell, they dont get money, they dont get money, they just wasted a few million bucks.And regarding the Sam Raimi and the film things, it should contribute, do you know why? BECAUSE HE'S THE ****ING DIRECTOR YOU BELL END! Do you not understand? What Raimi says, goes.
I liked Venom in Spiderman 3, he kept true to the idea; "Is takes on the abilities both physical & mental", his outer skin resembles Spidermans Suit.It took Avi Arad and the Topher Grace's performance to win him over. Raimi does have a say,a HUGE say in fact and if he says Carnage is not going to be in his film, it's not going to happen. HE said this with Venom, but was won
over. And it's going to take a lot more than Avi's word and good actor to get Raimi to put Carnage in his film. And what you said about Venom and Carnage being the best in the Spider-man world, I agree 100% there are by far the best two characters, in my opinion. We seem
to agree there. But don't you see what he did with Venom in Spider-man 3? They completely butchered him. Venom in the film was shit. I looked forward to seeing Venom just as much as anyone else did, but I was disappointed by his appearance. And you say Carnage would "PIMP",
but going on what Carnage is, everything he represents, what they did with Venom and Sam Raimi's attitude towards Venom and symbiotes...
do you REALLY think that a Carnage appearance would be "PIMP"? Think about it.
He wasn't "Won Over", he realised that the following of Venom fans would shun the movie if he already said there would be Venom, then take him out.
Thus, losing the movie money.
Indeed, the movies aren't following any of the series, it has little it-bits of arcs everywhere.Originally Posted by Hybrid
Venom isn't just solely Eddie Brock, Mac Gargan(Scorpion) is taken over by the Venom Suit. So even if Eddie had been disposed of, Venom could still be in more movies.
Reason being my paragraphs are off is because i did this in notepad and kept pressing Enter >.<
And i CBF fixing it lol
EDIT: I wont be online for the weekend, so i'd expect at least one smartass reply by then xD