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    Quote Originally Posted by FRuMMaGe
    "poetry"?

    Here is some of a rap song directly copied from a lyrics website.

    Now please explain why that is "art" and not just some angry as**ole moaning?
    ok Frummage i see ur point and though i am not a huge "rap" fan i can argue for it.

    First off the lyrics u post there is "rap" which is pure garbage...look at the real side of it "Hip Hop" which is not a genre of music. Its a culture or a belief system that was birthed out of a desire to manifest one's self in a society that was deemed unfair to African-American's in the early 1970's.

    I myself being "white" and having grown up in Brooklyn NY, home to A LOT of hip hop artists, i grew fond of the art growing up.

    Hip-Hop taught the youth, and still teaches indirectly, that you can be who you want to be in the sense of not being what people want you to be. That has a certain truth to it, but if taken the wrong way, it turns into rebellion against basic laws and truths that govern our society as a whole (which is why so many kids think today "rap" is all about packin heat and sellin drugs and pimpin hoes). Hip-Hop began to change the very appearance of its followers by creating a look, a way of governing yourself, and a language that should be spoken. What this created was a subculture of our American culture, and it caused our youth to go against the basic pattern of society and manifest their own will regardless of what it cost them socially and spiritually. It is basically the samething as you a "hardcore" person is. You have ur own way of dressing, acting and beliefs.

    Believe it or not Hip Hop is an art, a Poem, a drawing on a wall, the way someone dresses.

    In my honest opinon, i would choose hip hop over hardcore that you listen to. cuz first off i can understand what the artist is saying and second i can relate to it better even though i am white, because i grew up in Brooklyn, NY. People are quick to judge the face of it all, but if you actually take the time to get to know the "culture" it is a wonderful thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bliss
    ok Frummage i see ur point and though i am not a huge "rap" fan i can argue for it.

    First off the lyrics u post there is "rap" which is pure garbage...look at the real side of it "Hip Hop" which is not a genre of music. Its a culture or a belief system that was birthed out of a desire to manifest one's self in a society that was deemed unfair to African-American's in the early 1970's.

    I myself being "white" and having grown up in Brooklyn NY, home to A LOT of hip hop artists, i grew fond of the art growing up.

    Hip-Hop taught the youth, and still teaches indirectly, that you can be who you want to be in the sense of not being what people want you to be. That has a certain truth to it, but if taken the wrong way, it turns into rebellion against basic laws and truths that govern our society as a whole (which is why so many kids think today "rap" is all about packin heat and sellin drugs and pimpin hoes). Hip-Hop began to change the very appearance of its followers by creating a look, a way of governing yourself, and a language that should be spoken. What this created was a subculture of our American culture, and it caused our youth to go against the basic pattern of society and manifest their own will regardless of what it cost them socially and spiritually. It is basically the samething as you a "hardcore" person is. You have ur own way of dressing, acting and beliefs.

    Believe it or not Hip Hop is an art, a Poem, a drawing on a wall, the way someone dresses.

    In my honest opinon, i would choose hip hop over hardcore that you listen to. cuz first off i can understand what the artist is saying and second i can relate to it better even though i am white, because i grew up in Brooklyn, NY. People are quick to judge the face of it all, but if you actually take the time to get to know the "culture" it is a wonderful thing.
    I'm speechless. I read the whole of that post, and agreed completly. I've been a big Hip-hop fan for a good few years, and I've argued my case that Hip-hop really isn't the mainstream rap that everyone bases it on. In all honesty, when I first got into the whole genre, I'd mainly listen to West Coast music, NWA, Snoop Dogg etc.. and didn't even think about the lyrics - even nowadays I'll be having a shower and just start rapping a bit of 'From the depths of the sea, back to the block, Snoop Doggy Doggy funky, yes but of the Doc...'

    But then I did some research on artists, started listening to lyrics, and had a realisation of real Hip-hop, and that, even though there's a minority, there are lyrics that actually mean something, rather then stereotypical rapper.

    I'll be back later with some inspirational verses, can think of some good storytelling ones, but I'll put some thought into it so it doesn't get stereotyped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FRuMMaGe
    "poetry"?

    Here is some of a rap song directly copied from a lyrics website.

    Now please explain why that is "art" and not just some angry as**ole moaning?
    For once, I'm gonna agree with FRuMMaGe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samus101
    For once, I'm gonna agree with FRuMMaGe.
    Generalising from one rap song..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samus101
    For once, I'm gonna agree with FRuMMaGe.
    like Wiired has just said "from one rap song?"

    Did u even read the 2 posts above that Wiired and myself have typed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bliss
    like Wiired has just said "from one rap song?"

    Did u even read the 2 posts above that Wiired and myself have typed?
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences.

    I am just saying that I personally don't consider rap or hip-hop to be art or poetry.

    That doesn't mean to say it ISN'T. I just don't consider it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FRuMMaGe
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences.

    I am just saying that I personally don't consider rap or hip-hop to be art or poetry.

    That doesn't mean to say it ISN'T. I just don't consider it to be.
    ok i understand that, but what is your reason for not considering it poetry when it clearly is?

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    Well... almost of the rap songs I always end up hearing are trash. I do to clean hip hop and some rap though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samus101
    Well... all of the rap songs I always end up hearing are trash
    why dont u try this song

    Video and Lyrics to Tupac - Changes

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    Come on come on
    I see no changes wake up in the morning and I ask myself
    is life worth living should I blast myself?
    I'm tired of bein' poor and even worse I'm black
    my stomach hurts so I'm lookin' for a purse to snatch
    Cops give a damn about a negro
    pull the trigger kill a nigga he's a hero
    Give crack to the kids who the hell cares
    one less ugly mouth on the welfare
    First ship 'em dope & let 'em deal the brothers
    give 'em guns step back watch 'em kill each other
    It's time to fight back that's what Huey said
    2 shots in the dark now Huey's dead
    I got love for my brother but we can never go nowhere
    unless we share with each other
    We gotta start makin' changes
    learn to see me as a brother instead of 2 distant strangers
    and that's how it's supposed to be
    How can the Devil take a brother if he's close to me?
    I'd love to go back to when we played as kids
    but things changed, and that's the way it is

    [Bridge w/ changing ad libs]
    Come on come on
    That's just the way it is
    Things'll never be the same
    That's just the way it is
    aww yeah
    [Repeat]

    I see no changes all I see is racist faces
    misplaced hate makes disgrace to races
    We under I wonder what it takes to make this
    one better place, let's erase the wasted
    Take the evil out the people they'll be acting right
    'cause both black and white is smokin' crack tonight
    and only time we chill is when we kill each other
    it takes skill to be real, time to heal each other
    And although it seems heaven sent
    We ain't ready, to see a black President, uhh
    It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact
    the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks
    But some things will never change
    try to show another way but you stayin' in the dope game
    Now tell me what's a mother to do
    bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you
    You gotta operate the easy way
    "I made a G today" But you made it in a sleazy way
    sellin' crack to the kid. " I gotta get paid,"
    Well hey, well that's the way it is

    [Bridge]

    [Talking: ]
    We gotta make a change...
    It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
    Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
    and let's change the way we treat each other.
    You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
    what we gotta do, to survive.

    And still I see no changes can't a brother get a little peace
    It's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East
    Instead of war on poverty they got a war on drugs
    so the police can bother me
    And I ain't never did a crime I ain't have to do
    But now I'm back with the blacks givin' it back to you
    Don't let 'em jack you up, back you up,
    crack you up and pimp smack you up
    You gotta learn to hold ya own
    they get jealous when they see ya with ya mobile phone
    But tell the cops they can't touch this
    I don't trust this when they try to rush I bust this
    That's the sound of my tool you say it ain't cool
    my mama didn't raise no fool
    And as long as I stay black I gotta stay strapped
    & I never get to lay back
    'Cause I always got to worry 'bout the pay backs
    some buck that I roughed up way back
    comin' back after all these years
    rat-a-tat-tat-tat-tat that's the way it is uhh

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    Yes, it does have meaning, but it's still NOT clean.

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