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    Quote Originally Posted by 333Wii333
    jesus agreed to be hung and tortured for us but thts not all he REAPPEARED thts wht easter is my friend
    Technically, Easter is dervied from the name of the goddess Eostre. Also the easter bunny character can be tied to her as well, in additional to the rabbit and eggs being Pagan fertility symbols coinciding with springtime. None of those things have any connection to Jesus' ressurrection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    Inspired, but not his own words. Heard of Chinese Whispers. Now take into account that the only ones that could read and write from the era, were the tools of what could be considered an 'educated' upper class - with values systems of their own. Thus to read the bible is to take an interpretation of an upperclass stranger that believes he is doing the work of God.
    Right, not directly his own words (well not always), but definitely the ideas and direction. He would not allow the human writer to influence it so that is twisted into something that was not intended.

    Also in the quote of the bible, it allows people to retell what God 'wants'. I thought God was meant to be perfect? How can the bible (which was supposedly influenced by God himself) need 'corrections'?
    You've misunderstood the quote. It's saying that the Bible can be used FOR correction, not to be corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippy
    Right, not directly his own words (well not always), but definitely the ideas and direction. He would not allow the human writer to influence it so that is twisted into something that was not intended.
    How do you know he would not? Doesn't it come down to choice? Working on the principle that there is the Christian God, wouldn't he allow people to make bad choices, and if not, then why does he allow bad choices to be made elsewhere in life? Of course, this implies that all the writers throughout time have been under the influence of God. And let me ask you one question, if God would not allow people to add their own ideas to the bible, why is there an old testament and a new testament?

    You've misunderstood the quote. It's saying that the Bible can be used FOR correction, not to be corrected.
    Implying that there's a single 'right' way to go. Is that all life is, a series of choices, whereby there is only one direction that leads to 'heaven', whilst all the rest lead to 'hell'?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippy
    Technically, Easter is dervied from the name of the goddess Eostre. Also the easter bunny character can be tied to her as well, in additional to the rabbit and eggs being Pagan fertility symbols coinciding with springtime. None of those things have any connection to Jesus' ressurrection.
    Lol....the easter that Christian families and many other families around the world is derived from the ressurection of Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssbb_lover
    Lol....the easter that Christian families and many other families around the world is derived from the ressurection of Jesus Christ.
    So is Christmas, despite the fact that Jesus was actually born in September. The reason it's celebrated in December, is because the idea of Christianity was thought to be more influential if it coincided with the native pagans winter festivals.

    Moral: Just because something is celebrated today, doesn't mean that it has a real life basis for what we consider it celebrating for. Take for example, the fact that Christmas is celebrated on the annual calendar (always 25th Dec), yet Easter is celebrated on the lunar calendar (isn't on the same date every year).


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    Quote Originally Posted by ssbb_lover
    Lol....the easter that Christian families and many other families around the world is derived from the ressurection of Jesus Christ.
    Like I said before, the rabbit, eggs, and even the name "Easter" itself have no connection to the ressurrection of Christ. Do you see any of those in the Bible in connection with Jesus? I fully realize that most people see what we call Easter today as a celebration of Jesus' ressurrection, but most people don't know that the typical Easter decorations and customs come from religions and practices that are far removed from Christianity.

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    I use to be a huge christian until I started researching magic and witchcraft...but then I got a hold of myself and read the bible again and looked more into the ten commandments....
    For me I think the whole concept of christianity is just something some people made up to control ....but thats just my thought....
    for example dont commit adultery.....then I asked myself why! dont have sex before marrige....why! thats not going to hurt anyone, it should be up to the people! What you said about abortion....I still think it isnt right but it should be up to the people! If there really was a god why wouldnt he stop these things and show himself to the world!? Christianity raises to many question rather than answers and I wont listen to something that puts so much pressure that on me... people really shouldnt have to live in fear of going to hell! I think being a good person is enough.....and it would sure help our world!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippy
    Like I said before, the rabbit, eggs, and even the name "Easter" itself have no connection to the ressurrection of Christ. Do you see any of those in the Bible in connection with Jesus? I fully realize that most people see what we call Easter today as a celebration of Jesus' ressurrection, but most people don't know that the typical Easter decorations and customs come from religions and practices that are far removed from Christianity.
    Oh, I see what you mean now. I totally agree w/ you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    So is Christmas, despite the fact that Jesus was actually born in September.
    No one knows when he was born. It is estimated though that he was born somewhere in the summer to fall, so you're about right. They just haven't found the EXACT time of his birth (or month for that matter). If you've got a site to go to or something that I could see that would prove me wrong, by all means post it. Just thought I'd point that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    How do you know he would not? Doesn't it come down to choice? Working on the principle that there is the Christian God, wouldn't he allow people to make bad choices, and if not, then why does he allow bad choices to be made elsewhere in life?
    You're drifting a bit from the original topic. I was referring specifically to the Bible being written under inspiration from God's Holy Spirit. Not the choices people make from day to day. The writers of the Bible did not walk around in a robot stupor under total control of God. But when it came time for God's direction to be recorded, he made sure that what was recorded was legit. Then he made sure that the various inspired writings were preserved and made available to us today.

    Of course, this implies that all the writers throughout time have been under the influence of God. And let me ask you one question, if God would not allow people to add their own ideas to the bible, why is there an old testament and a new testament?
    I don't follow you. That's like saying, "If people can get around by walking or driving, why are there cupcakes?"
    The Bible is a whole piece - what we refer to as the Old Testament and the New Testament are part of the whole Bible.


    Implying that there's a single 'right' way to go. Is that all life is, a series of choices, whereby there is only one direction that leads to 'heaven', whilst all the rest lead to 'hell'?
    The short answer? Yes, there is a right way to go. But that doesn't mean there's no variety in the right path to take. God doesn't want us all to be identical clones, all making the exact same decisions for every matter.
    But, there is certainly a right and wrong. I don't think anyone would argue with that. The main point of contention today is who gets to decide what is considered right and wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe
    dont have sex before marrige....why! thats not going to hurt anyone
    Tell that to all the people who have contracted AIDS or other STD's and all the unplanned pregnancies.

    If there really was a god why wouldnt he stop these things and show himself to the world!?
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    people really shouldnt have to live in fear of going to hell!
    Agreed. That concept has done far more to damage Christianity than anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by ssbb_lover
    No one knows when he was born. It is estimated though that he was born somewhere in the summer to fall, so you're about right. They just haven't found the EXACT time of his birth (or month for that matter). If you've got a site to go to or something that I could see that would prove me wrong, by all means post it. Just thought I'd point that out.
    That kind of makes you wonder... if the date of Jesus' birth was so important that we're supposed to have a big ol' celebration, why wouldn't God have made sure we knew precisely when it was? Interestingly enough, the Bible does specifically state the date of his death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippy
    Tell that to all the people who have contracted AIDS or other STD's and all the unplanned pregnancies.
    STDs would still be around even if people had sex after marriage and well you bring a point with the unplanned pregnancies....but it should still be up to the people!

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