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    Quote Originally Posted by dedpoet777
    as far as allah is concerned. if their book says he is the same god then what do you have? im not sure i get it. it doesnt matter what you, and other christians think. you dont know the history dude. people think jesus was some white guy, with brown flowing hair. thats not the case. take your middle eastern jew or muslim and that was jesus, and the people that wrote the bible. no matter what you want to think or believe, that is the same god. youre missing the point. the point is there are two messages there. one of them is wrong, or both are wrong, but cannot both be right. in my opinion, neither is right.
    i've never thought a Jesus as some white guy. Also for some reason some people think that he is black to. But I agree with you on him being middle eastern for obvious reasons. Ah the great Allah and God are the same debate. They really are different Gods. Take the following facts:
    1. Our God involves the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost). ~Wiki~ In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is one being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons: the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth), and the Holy Spirit.

    The Muslims just have Allah and only Allah.

    2. The Bible says God can take the form of a man and is all powerful

    The Qur'an says Allah can't take the form of a man making him not all powerful

    3. The Bible says Jesus is the son of God.

    The Qur'an says Jesus was just a prophet. I have never understood this because if Jesus was just a prophet then him claiming to be the son would have been blasphemy and real prophets dont speak blasphemy. The Qur'an does refer to Jesus as the "perfect one".

    This proves that are God (Trinity) is all powerful and his son was Jesus. Allah does not involve the Trinity, is not all powerful and Jesus was just a prophet.
    For he is God's servant to do thee good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the servant of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Romans 13:4

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Dont_Know859
    i've never thought a Jesus as some white guy. Also for some reason some people think that he is black to. But I agree with you on him being middle eastern for obvious reasons. Ah the great Allah and God are the same debate. They really are different Gods. Take the following facts:
    1. Our God involves the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost). ~Wiki~ In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is one being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons: the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth), and the Holy Spirit.

    The Muslims just have Allah and only Allah.
    Well, if you think about it, the trinity could just be a metaphor for God's will.

    2. The Bible says God can take the form of a man and is all powerful

    The Qur'an says Allah can't take the form of a man making him not all powerful
    I'd like to know where you get that quote. I would have thought a christian reading the Qur'an would have be blasphemous...

    Some people believe that Spiderman could beat Batman. Others believe Spiderman could never beat Batman. Just because two people have different opinions on the abilities of the same person, doesn't mean that there really are two seperate people.

    3. The Bible says Jesus is the son of God.

    The Qur'an says Jesus was just a prophet. I have never understood this because if Jesus was just a prophet then him claiming to be the son would have been blasphemy and real prophets dont speak blasphemy. The Qur'an does refer to Jesus as the "perfect one".
    "perfect" is different to Godly. One can have a perfect score on Wii bowling, but you cannot say that only God could get a perfect score on Wii bowling.

    This proves that are God (Trinity) is all powerful and his son was Jesus. Allah does not involve the Trinity, is not all powerful and Jesus was just a prophet.
    Funny, you seem to not accept another's belief as equal to your own. This is the whole reason why people hate Christians.

    Jesus was Jewish. Isn't it kinda funny how Christians follow Christ and condemn the religion he followed, because it was a Jewish person that killed Jesus? I wouldn't blame Americans, if an American was blamed for killing the president of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    Well, if you think about it, the trinity could just be a metaphor for God's will.
    yea well i can understand you thinking that since your not a christian yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    I'd like to know where you get that quote. I would have thought a christian reading the Qur'an would have be blasphemous...

    Some people believe that Spiderman could beat Batman. Others believe Spiderman could never beat Batman. Just because two people have different opinions on the abilities of the same person, doesn't mean that there really are two seperate people.
    It's somewhere in the Qur'an (dont remember exactly where, found it a while ago). Well a christian reading the qur'an isn't blasphemous especially when you want to learn the differences in other religions. I'd be blasphemous if i was worshipping God and Allah.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    "perfect" is different to Godly. One can have a perfect score on Wii bowling, but you cannot say that only God could get a perfect score on Wii bowling.
    you should know perfect refers to "without sin". No one on earth has done this except Jesus. c'mon now squall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    Funny, you seem to not accept another's belief as equal to your own. This is the whole reason why people hate Christians.
    Well you cant accept one truth then another the contricts the first truth. So I don't accept your religion, get over it. If you dont except mine fine. I believe in freedom and democracy and one should believe what they want as long as it doesnt involve harming another. Its wrong if a christian forces his religion on someone, which some so called christians do. Its wrong. We are supposed to spread our faith with those willing to hear it. If someone hates me because of some bad experience with some hypocrite Christian, well i'm sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    Jesus was Jewish. Isn't it kinda funny how Christians follow Christ and condemn the religion he followed, because it was a Jewish person that killed Jesus? I wouldn't blame Americans, if an American was blamed for killing the president of America.
    whoa your getting ahead of yourself here. You see there are people in the world that are responsible for causing misleading sterotypes not just on religion, but race, gender, etc and those people are know as hypocrites (which is someone who basically says they are something when they are not).
    Christians don't condemn anybody, God does. We don't send you to hell, God does. There is no condemning by christians, just supposed to be love. I had a jewish friend, we just never really talked about our differences and get into agruments, we just had fun being friends. No its not funny how these hypocrite christians follow christ and condemn the religion he followed and createing these sterotypes about the christian religion that people like you fall for. Its sad. **I wouldn't blame Americans, if an American was blamed for killing the president of America.** I don't think anybody would it would probably be blamed on the Presidents opposing political party.
    For he is God's servant to do thee good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the servant of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Romans 13:4

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Dont_Know859
    yea well i can understand you thinking that since your not a christian yourself.
    Now now. You're just proving my point that you don't see anyone else's views as equal to your own. What makes it me 'thinking' and you 'knowing'? The Bible says so? (Which is something we're not agreeing on in the first place)

    It's somewhere in the Qur'an (dont remember exactly where, found it a while ago). Well a christian reading the qur'an isn't blasphemous especially when you want to learn the differences in other religions. I'd be blasphemous if i was worshipping God and Allah.
    Ok, well we'll have to take your word on what it said... ...I'll have to take your word that your memory of it is correct (that it couldn't have possibly have been confused) of you reading it (unless you read Arabic, you'll only be reading a translation of it anyway - which isn't always fool-proof of what it said) once upon a time. You see, the problem is you've got researcher bias. You've already made up your mind of what you're going to find, and so you'll keep searching until it says what you want it to "say".

    you should know perfect refers to "without sin". No one on earth has done this except Jesus. c'mon now squall.
    What so Jesus has never sinned? What about original sin? Also, why should I specifically know that perfect refers to "without sin"? Have you known everybody whom ever existed? How can you be so sure that nobody else in the history of the planet has ever lived without 'sinning'?

    Well you cant accept one truth then another the contricts the first truth. So I don't accept your religion, get over it. If you dont except mine fine. I believe in freedom and democracy and one should believe what they want as long as it doesnt involve harming another. Its wrong if a christian forces his religion on someone, which some so called christians do. Its wrong. We are supposed to spread our faith with those willing to hear it. If someone hates me because of some bad experience with some hypocrite Christian, well i'm sorry.
    You see, this is the problem. You believe that what you believe is THE truth. Christianity is an idea, a belief, not an absolute truth. At least I accept that there is the minutest possiblity that I may be wrong, no matter how sure I am.

    Freedom and democracy? Which do you value the most, your citizenship or your religion, because you are starting to sound awfully patriotic.

    "So I don't accept your religion, get over it. If you dont except mine fine". - The use of specific language here just shows that you're unwilling to even expand your mind. Stating a fact "I don't accept your relgion", followed by a command "Get over it". Then follow it up by a possibility "If you don't accept mine" followed by apathy "Fine". How about, instead of being so dogmatic and righteous, you could accept that you could just possibly be incorrect or inaccurate in something you say. You are not God, therefore you are fallible. Not accepting that is one of your problems.

    whoa your getting ahead of yourself here. You see there are people in the world that are responsible for causing misleading sterotypes not just on religion, but race, gender, etc and those people are know as hypocrites (which is someone who basically says they are something when they are not).
    Christians don't condemn anybody, God does. We don't send you to hell, God does. There is no condemning by christians, just supposed to be love. I had a jewish friend, we just never really talked about our differences and get into agruments, we just had fun being friends. No its not funny how these hypocrite christians follow christ and condemn the religion he followed and createing these sterotypes about the christian religion that people like you fall for. Its sad. **I wouldn't blame Americans, if an American was blamed for killing the president of America.** I don't think anybody would it would probably be blamed on the Presidents opposing political party.
    Wrong. Are you saying that Christians do not condemn homosexuals? Because, I've seen many Christians do just that:
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    conĚdemn (kn-dm)
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    1. To express strong disapproval of: condemned the needless waste of food.
    2. To pronounce judgment against; sentence: condemned the felons to prison.
    3. To judge or declare to be unfit for use or consumption, usually by official order: condemn an old building.
    4. To lend credence to or provide evidence for an adverse judgment against: were condemned by their actions.
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    No its not funny how these hypocrite christians follow christ and condemn the religion he followed and createing these sterotypes about the christian religion that people like you fall for. Its sad.
    Stereotypes? This implies that it's incorrect or inaccurate. Does every Christian get along with Jews? Does every Christian not hold a grudge for the killing of Jesus? You agrue that there are 'false' Christians out there trying to distort the truth. Isn't it also possible that you're one of those Christians that are trying to 'distort the truth'? You don't even need to be aware that you're doing it for it to happen. Having soo much confidence in your own arguement, whilst assuming that the other person has to be wrong is not going to give your cause any aid.

    Again, the use of specific language "that people like you fall for". 'people like you'? You're basicaly accusing me of being a 'fool'. Tell me, how is my 'falling' for the 'christian stereotype' any different to the people of America 'falling' for the stereotype of all muslims being terrorists? How about the stereotype of the British being pompus, pansies whom drink tea all day? Antisemitism has been a long standing problem.
    Antisemitism
    In 1939 a Roper poll found that only thirty-nine percent of Americans felt that Jews should be treated like other people. Fifty-three percent believed that "Jews are different and should be restricted" and ten percent believed that Jews should be deported.[76] Several surveys taken from 1940 to 1946 found that Jews were seen as a greater threat to the welfare of the United States than any other national, religious, or racial group. [2] It has been estimated that 190,000 - 200,000 Jews could have been saved during the Second World War had it not been for bureaucratic obstacles to immigration deliberately created by Breckinridge Long and others.[77]
    I wonder, taking into account your talk about 'hypocrite Christians', how many 'true Christians' actually exist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    What so Jesus has never sinned? What about original sin? Also, why should I specifically know that perfect refers to "without sin"? Have you known everybody whom ever existed? How can you be so sure that nobody else in the history of the planet has ever lived without 'sinning'?
    Jesus was born without sin and remained sin free for his whole life - that's the whole point of his sacrifice. That's why some random Joe's death could not pay the price for Adam's sin, it's not an equal sacrifice. He was a propitiatory sacrafice that covered over Adam's sin. It's the whole point of why Jesus came to earth in the first place. He knew he was coming here to die and what that death would accomplish, and he did it willingly. Being mad at people for killing Jesus is pointless - he needed to die to accomplish, he knew he would die, and he knew when he would die - it could not be avoided. In a manner of speaking, his death was the best thing to ever occur to the human race because now we have a way of undoing the affects of that original sin.

    As far as other people sinning - don't think of it is just actions that we commit. Yes, we can do bad things, or sin. But sin is more than that. It's the condition we exist in. It's like a birth defect that's been passed down through every generation since Adam. You can't avoid it. It's why we're imperfect, it's why we get sick, it's why we die.
    Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippy
    Jesus was born without sin and remained sin free for his whole life - that's the whole point of his sacrifice. That's why some random Joe's death could not pay the price for Adam's sin, it's not an equal sacrifice. He was a propitiatory sacrafice that covered over Adam's sin. It's the whole point of why Jesus came to earth in the first place. He knew he was coming here to die and what that death would accomplish, and he did it willingly. Being mad at people for killing Jesus is pointless - he needed to die to accomplish, he knew he would die, and he knew when he would die - it could not be avoided. In a manner of speaking, his death was the best thing to ever occur to the human race because now we have a way of undoing the affects of that original sin.
    Interesting. What about original sin? What exempted Jesus from that? I realise Jesus had to die (though me saying it now, is the equivolent of me saying I understand why Obi Wan Kenobi had to die), but that doesn't stop much anti-semetism in the world...

    As far as other people sinning - don't think of it is just actions that we commit. Yes, we can do bad things, or sin. But sin is more than that. It's the condition we exist in. It's like a birth defect that's been passed down through every generation since Adam. You can't avoid it. It's why we're imperfect, it's why we get sick, it's why we die.
    Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned
    It's why we die? I thought Jesus was meant to die without sinning? Also, we have original sin now. What was it that Jesus actually died for? (I know he "died for us", but to change what?)

    (sorry, I know this must sound like the curious child at sunday school).

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Dont_Know859
    i've never thought a Jesus as some white guy. Also for some reason some people think that he is black to. But I agree with you on him being middle eastern for obvious reasons. Ah the great Allah and God are the same debate. They really are different Gods. Take the following facts:
    1. Our God involves the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost). ~Wiki~ In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is one being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons: the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth), and the Holy Spirit.

    The Muslims just have Allah and only Allah.

    2. The Bible says God can take the form of a man and is all powerful

    The Qur'an says Allah can't take the form of a man making him not all powerful

    3. The Bible says Jesus is the son of God.

    The Qur'an says Jesus was just a prophet. I have never understood this because if Jesus was just a prophet then him claiming to be the son would have been blasphemy and real prophets dont speak blasphemy. The Qur'an does refer to Jesus as the "perfect one".

    This proves that are God (Trinity) is all powerful and his son was Jesus. Allah does not involve the Trinity, is not all powerful and Jesus was just a prophet.
    this is my last reply on this subject. i totally get what youre saying man. however, there are different views on god in religions yes, but that doesnt change that fact that it is based on the same god. there are different views of god even in christianity, let alone from two different religions. the point is, no matter how god is viewed, it is the same god. the "trinity" is what the 3 combined/seperate entities are called. so the muslims dont have that, and? that still doesnt mean muslims and christians are not referring to the same god.

    aside from this man, instead of getting caught up on one thing i said that you dont agree with, think about what else i said. think about why you think god is a killer. think about why slavery is preached in the bible, in exodus. that is my point. the messages in the bible are no good, aside from the moral code, which isnt that hard to figure out. do you think humans are so dumb that god needed to come down and tell us not to kill, or steal, or any of that? it is clear if a society kills one another, that they will not progress as a society. animals even know that, when speaking of their own kind. elephants mourn the loss of their dead, they will stand above the bones of their dead and caress them with their trunks. death is understood all the way down to animals.
    as i said go read the chapter directly after the 10 commandments, and see the slavery preached. please drop this allah thing, because there is no argument about it. its the same god, period, different views yes, but still the same.

    im unsubsribing form this thread. i have given you all you need to know and understand. if you choose not to take it, fine. hopefully one day, you, and all those like you, will understand that religion as a whole is very destructive. if you do not, well then, in my opinion, you will not progress as an individual. one must seek god himself, and not rely on what people, preachers, and desert dwelling morons think about him. the bible is hearsay. there is no other way to look at it. i wish all religious texts would be burned and forgotten. only then will this world get any better. still to this day it is causing death and confusion.

    why do you think 9/11 happened? it happened because were buddies with israel, why? because theyre jews and who runs walstreet? jews do. if it were muslims, wed be protecting them and buddies with them. that is why the muslims are pissed. so what is the source of this war, 9/11, and all of this? religion, religion, religion, religion, religion.
    you do away with it, youll have peace, and that is the only way.

    god gave us all the clues to see how we got here. he left traces of evolution all around us. instead, people want to take the opinions of desert dwelling morons, who didnt even know the earth revolved around the sun or that it was round. if you want to take their opinons, like i did for 18 years of my life, then do it. but i know theyre wrong now. god does not reveal wrong science to people. evolution shows how smart god made atoms, and cells. if you cant see that beauty than i feel sorry for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    Now now. You're just proving my point that you don't see anyone else's views as equal to your own. What makes it me 'thinking' and you 'knowing'? The Bible says so? (Which is something we're not agreeing on in the first place)
    yeah well what do you expect when i agree with the bible and you dont. big surprise there.


    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    Ok, well we'll have to take your word on what it said... ...I'll have to take your word that your memory of it is correct (that it couldn't have possibly have been confused) of you reading it (unless you read Arabic, you'll only be reading a translation of it anyway - which isn't always fool-proof of what it said) once upon a time. You see, the problem is you've got researcher bias. You've already made up your mind of what you're going to find, and so you'll keep searching until it says what you want it to "say".
    just telling you my findings. you dont have to take my word on it, do some research yourself. its there and i know it so thats all i can tell you. This is all thanks to the arabic class at my university. nice professor (a muslim one at that). I see you like to jump to conclusions to with that last sentence. I know my religions true from my personal experiences.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    What so Jesus has never sinned? What about original sin? Also, why should I specifically know that perfect refers to "without sin"? Have you known everybody whom ever existed? How can you be so sure that nobody else in the history of the planet has ever lived without 'sinning'?
    yes Jesus never sinned. So what about original sin? you obviously dont know much about religion. read the bible for a start, it doesnt take a religious person to know this. Sin,sin, sin, thats whats tearing the world apart and what every man is guilty of except Jesus, who never did an act of evil and was perfect upon doing so. Its enivitable for man to sin, even if youve only told a white lie once in your life your a sinner. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    You see, this is the problem. You believe that what you believe is THE truth. Christianity is an idea, a belief, not an absolute truth. At least I accept that there is the minutest possiblity that I may be wrong, no matter how sure I am.
    Like i said, i know its absolute truth through my personal experiences. I dont except absolute truth when it comes to everything, but with Jesus, thats a different story.


    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    Freedom and democracy? Which do you value the most, your citizenship or your religion, because you are starting to sound awfully patriotic.
    I value Jesus, then my country and its values. Thanks I try to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    "So I don't accept your religion, get over it. If you dont except mine fine". - The use of specific language here just shows that you're unwilling to even expand your mind. Stating a fact "I don't accept your relgion", followed by a command "Get over it". Then follow it up by a possibility "If you don't accept mine" followed by apathy "Fine". How about, instead of being so dogmatic and righteous, you could accept that you could just possibly be incorrect or inaccurate in something you say. You are not God, therefore you are fallible. Not accepting that is one of your problems.
    I expand my mind, just not when it comes to my faith in Jesus. Yes I am fallible, put like i said, God has proven himself to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    Wrong. Are you saying that Christians do not condemn homosexuals? Because, I've seen many Christians do just that:
    squall, squall, squall, there you go falling for the sterotypes again. they really got you confused. Jesus and a real christian would love the sinner, hate the sin. I wouldnt dare go to a gay parade holding a sign saying "Everytime a fag dies, God laughs". that action is based on hate and hate is a big no, no. But i also wouldnt go there to support it anyway. Worse thing i would do is tell them that its a sin and a way the devil screws up God's plan for marriage. I like to say it was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.




    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    Stereotypes? This implies that it's incorrect or inaccurate. Does every Christian get along with Jews? Does every Christian not hold a grudge for the killing of Jesus? You agrue that there are 'false' Christians out there trying to distort the truth. Isn't it also possible that you're one of those Christians that are trying to 'distort the truth'? You don't even need to be aware that you're doing it for it to happen. Having soo much confidence in your own arguement, whilst assuming that the other person has to be wrong is not going to give your cause any aid.
    Not every Christian gets along with Jews, doesnt mean they have to harass them in any way. Christains are human too ya know, just forgiven by grace. I dont hold a grudge for them killing Jesus, I'm grateful everyday they did. That was God's plan afterall. It just amazes me to torture he when through with an unjust trial. wow. just wow. we really did need a savior. No I'm not and its kind of easy to spot the ones that do distort the truth. Ex: acting on hate. I like the WWJD? motto. I wouldnt have so much confidence if i wasnt 100% sure on it and yes God has proven himself to me in my life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    Again, the use of specific language "that people like you fall for". 'people like you'? You're basicaly accusing me of being a 'fool'. Tell me, how is my 'falling' for the 'christian stereotype' any different to the people of America 'falling' for the stereotype of all muslims being terrorists? How about the stereotype of the British being pompus, pansies whom drink tea all day? Antisemitism has been a long standing problem.
    Well you do keep falling for it just like that whole homosexual statement you made. I wouldnt call you a fool, just misguided from the sterotypes. honest mistake. I never said falling for a different sterotype was any different. You seem to like to agrue about things you dont understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    I wonder, taking into account your talk about 'hypocrite Christians', how many 'true Christians' actually exist...
    I wonder that also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    Interesting. What about original sin? What exempted Jesus from that? I realise Jesus had to die (though me saying it now, is the equivolent of me saying I understand why Obi Wan Kenobi had to die), but that doesn't stop much anti-semetism in the world...


    It's why we die? I thought Jesus was meant to die without sinning? Also, we have original sin now. What was it that Jesus actually died for? (I know he "died for us", but to change what?)

    (sorry, I know this must sound like the curious child at sunday school).
    Back before Jesus, when one sinned they had to sacrafice the blood of something innocent but Jesus (the perfect man) paid the ultimate sacrafice for everyone so we no longer have to do the sacraficing. Now we are saved by grace and love.
    For he is God's servant to do thee good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the servant of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Romans 13:4

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    yeah well what do you expect when i agree with the bible and you dont. big surprise there.
    It's not about believing in the bible. It's about respect.

    just telling you my findings. you dont have to take my word on it, do some research yourself. its there and i know it so thats all i can tell you. This is all thanks to the arabic class at my university. nice professor (a muslim one at that). I see you like to jump to conclusions to with that last sentence. I know my religions true from my personal experiences.
    It's that I'm stating a fact. "Researcher bias" is a very real thing.

    yes Jesus never sinned. So what about original sin? you obviously dont know much about religion. read the bible for a start, it doesnt take a religious person to know this. Sin,sin, sin, thats whats tearing the world apart and what every man is guilty of except Jesus, who never did an act of evil and was perfect upon doing so. Its enivitable for man to sin, even if youve only told a white lie once in your life your a sinner. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
    Sin is a concept from religion. It's religion itself that is tearing the world apart. What about the babies that died almost straight after birth? What 'evil' did they do? If Jesus really never sinned, why was he baptised by John the baptist? Also, this is a discussion, and I ask you to discuss in a civil manner. "You obviously don't know much about religion" is an unneccessary statement, and one that you're not sure of.

    Like i said, i know its absolute truth through my personal experiences. I dont except absolute truth when it comes to everything, but with Jesus, thats a different story.
    Absolute truth through your personal experiences? Somebody on an LSD trip can 'know' they can fly, but it doesn't stop them jumping out of a window to their demise. Please, explain to me exactly what kind of personal experiences have given you the conclusion that Jesus was everything he was that was written in the bible.


    I value Jesus, then my country and its values. Thanks I try to be.
    Believe me, that wasn't a compliment. If Jesus came down and said that the US is doing evil things, and that it is your mission to stop them, would you?

    I expand my mind, just not when it comes to my faith in Jesus. Yes I am fallible, put like i said, God has proven himself to me.
    And this gives you the right to believe oneself is above another? Doesn't the bible itself teach otherwise?

    squall, squall, squall, there you go falling for the sterotypes again. they really got you confused. Jesus and a real christian would love the sinner, hate the sin. I wouldnt dare go to a gay parade holding a sign saying "Everytime a fag dies, God laughs". that action is based on hate and hate is a big no, no. But i also wouldnt go there to support it anyway. Worse thing i would do is tell them that its a sin and a way the devil screws up God's plan for marriage. I like to say it was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
    Or maybe you're the one confused. Whom you call Christians are not EVERY Christian. They believe Christ is their saviour, and are therefore Christians. Just because you don't agree with somebody else, doesn't mean they are not part of the group. I don't agree with everything Tony Blair says (hardly anything actually), but that doesn't make me non-British. It's funny that you're saying stuff against hate, yet you're fine with making yourself percieved to be better than me.


    Not every Christian gets along with Jews, doesnt mean they have to harass them in any way. Christains are human too ya know, just forgiven by grace. I dont hold a grudge for them killing Jesus, I'm grateful everyday they did. That was God's plan afterall. It just amazes me to torture he when through with an unjust trial. wow. just wow. we really did need a savior. No I'm not and its kind of easy to spot the ones that do distort the truth. Ex: acting on hate. I like the WWJD? motto. I wouldnt have so much confidence if i wasnt 100% sure on it and yes God has proven himself to me in my life.
    Well, to be fair, I'm 100% sure that you're wrong but that doesn't mean that I'm going to say "So I don't accept your religion, get over it. If you dont except mine fine." or "i know its absolute truth". Fact of the matter, is that you're not nearly being as tolerant as what Christianity preaches.

    Well you do keep falling for it just like that whole homosexual statement you made. I wouldnt call you a fool, just misguided from the sterotypes. honest mistake. I never said falling for a different sterotype was any different. You seem to like to agrue about things you dont understand.
    Or maybe your definition of "Christian" is an idealistic one, rather than an actual one. Also, once again you assume that I don't understand. Perhaps it is you that isn't understanding me.

    Back before Jesus, when one sinned they had to sacrafice the blood of something innocent but Jesus (the perfect man) paid the ultimate sacrafice for everyone so we no longer have to do the sacraficing. Now we are saved by grace and love.
    And whom made up that rule that one had to sacrifice to be redeemed? Surely God would not create a rule that neccessitated the need for himself to come down onto earth to change. Surely, God would be so powerful that he could undo his own ruling? Also, before Jesus, how did they know what was a sin and what wasn't if the bible is mostly written afterwards? (The new testament anyway).
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