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    A li'l bit different Squall7's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrandonMcAuslan
    I can help define the difference between our political parties for UK people.

    The Democrats are pretty much to the right of centre (by UK standards) they are similar to our Tory Party - The Conservative Party.

    The Repubicans are pretty much the the right of Ghengis Khan - a thirteenth century mongol warlord.

    meh *shrugs*

    Good to have meaningful debate back on Wiichat!

    Is Micheal Moore's new documentary out yet? Sicko? - I met him once - and by met him I mean got him to sign a book and shake my hand.
    My pal had a book called "Shite's Miscellany" (A parody of Shotts Miscellany) *spelling?* - and under the section "Stupid American Presidents" it had one entry - George Bush. My pal got Micheal Moore to sign that page and the big man was laughing his ass of and said "What? There's only one?".

    Can't wait for Arnie to be president.

    I'd love to stay and talk about all this more - but I'm hopping a plane to San Francisco tomorrow so I'll catch up with everyone in 12 days or so.
    While I agree with your general stance, there's 2 notes that I would like to say.

    1. It won't do you any favours with arguing on the internet with Americans that their politics are on the whole, right wing and to the extent of Ghengis Khan (or any nazi-like figure, whether it true or not is irrelevant at this point).
    2. Mentioning Micheal Moore's name is almost a ticket to ignoresville or ridicule city by the right wing.

    It seems those two rules are almost sacred.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7


    By that logic, we should have invaded northern Ireland when the IRA terrorist bombings were happening...

    The rest sounds logical.
    I raise the point of fighting al qaeda in Afghanistan, as it should have been our main and only focus. The administration came out saying Bin Laden was responsible, but behind closed doors were still trying to find a way to pin it to Saddam. I think its peculiar that, we were attacked on 9/11 by Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Yet 6 Years later we are occupying Iraq, Saddam is dead, and Bin Laden is still making anniversary videos of when he killed 3000 Americans. The people around Bush (i.e. Rumsfeld, Cheyney, Wolfowitz, and Libby - the whole neocon group) had been ready and waiting for a 2nd oppurtunity in Iraq.

    I still don't understand why the American people and the Congress haven't done more/aren't as pissed off about all of this. The "democracy" here is an awful system that deflates any person's willingness or desire to get involved. People are either too pessimistic to feel that anything will ever change, or are so blinded by nationalism and pride that they are too stupid to realize they are being lied to and have been lied to on a regular basis for the majority of this president's term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnzy02
    I raise the point of fighting al qaeda in Afghanistan, as it should have been our main and only focus.
    Ok. It's just that it sounded more like you were saying that the US should have gone to war with Afghanistan because of al Qaeda hiding out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnzy02 (previously)
    Do people just forget the fact that we went to war because of 9/11 in afghanistan - a war that was justified because that was where al qaeda was (you know them, the people who were responsible for the attack on the WTC).
    The administration came out saying Bin Laden was responsible, but behind closed doors were still trying to find a way to pin it to Saddam. I think its peculiar that, we were attacked on 9/11 by Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Yet 6 Years later we are occupying Iraq, Saddam is dead, and Bin Laden is still making anniversary videos of when he killed 3000 Americans. The people around Bush (i.e. Rumsfeld, Cheyney, Wolfowitz, and Libby - the whole neocon group) had been ready and waiting for a 2nd oppurtunity in Iraq.

    I still don't understand why the American people and the Congress haven't done more/aren't as pissed off about all of this. The "democracy" here is an awful system that deflates any person's willingness or desire to get involved. People are either too pessimistic to feel that anything will ever change, or are so blinded by nationalism and pride that they are too stupid to realize they are being lied to and have been lied to on a regular basis for the majority of this president's term.
    I basically agree.

    Although, I'm okay believing that it was orchestrated by Osama Bin Laden, I wouldn't be all that surprised if the person on the tapes wasn't Osama (think about how many Saddam dopplegangers there were).

    Unfortunately, I think it's more of the fact that we seem to have a lack of objectivity in the media nowadays, that makes me think such cynical things...


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