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    I guess what I can glean from your statement, white-wolf, is the premise of choice in our lives.

    The triangle you mentioned has its own religious connotations - for example in Christianity, Hinduism etc have the 'trinity' symbol. Three as one.

    Philosophers have also argued about how we perceive the natural world and they have found it is indeed complex, yet simple in design. Think of fractality merged into simple shapes. It just keeps going on and on and on etc.

    Maths and science can guide the current teachings of philosophy and vice versa but ultimately they all seek the absolute truth - kind of a 'theory of everything' in scientific terms if you call it that.

    I'm curious - how come you've expressed the concept of a triangle as a symbol of the truth and love?

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    I could have said a square. I used it because its a mathematical certainty in this world at least. A triangle will always be a triangle, no matter what happens.

    but you saw more in my post then i expect most to find. I find spiritual tranquility in the number 3, and the Zelda games have inspired me. just like meamoto said he came up with the idea of Zelda from his experiences playing in the forests of Japan as a kid. These are the kind of mysticle places that i think have lingering energy from fey, or are still active, they have kind of a hold and their is no mistake why fairies give life in zelda games. Hell he might have even seen a real one, but he would never say that on mic. i myself have been inspired by nature and the forests of ohio. I also wish to make something as amazing as meamoto has. So 3 it is. Also when i think of Celtic myth, i think of the trinity. I think the idea of courage, power, and wisdom make for a better trinity concept then god the father, sun and holy spirit but i do respect it as a symbol of 3.

    I donít think itís healthy to lead a life devoid of spirituality, but i think that religions take to strong of a stance on things, and forget that they donít know everything. They confuse believing with knowing when they donít really know, they believe. Believes are wonderful but when they become something knowing it turns into what it is today. people die for that.

    I think this is because we donít and may never know. I think that the journey to truth is more impotent then the truth itself.

    If you canít tell already, I'm pretty torn between Buddhism, witchcraft and druidic. I think itís because those would be the last people to show up on my door and ask my to join their beliefs.

    *edited for clarity*
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    Geometric shapes change appearances depending on how you define the terms point and line - and let's not forget about non-euclidean (elliptical and hyberbolic) geometries.

    So, while the definition of a triangle may seem concrete, it uses some fairly flexible terms and principles and can look very different depending on where you're coming from. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a triangle in a euclidean geometry isn't necessarily a triangle in a hyperbolic geometry. My point is that even mathematics is not as absolute as we'd like to think; it too, has a starting point which must be assumed or taken for granted.

    The problem I stated above stems from how we define basic things. In philosophy, we often talk about moral issues, and thus, we find it necessary to define terms like 'good' and 'right'. In fact, this has been the crux of philosphy for millenia, and it is an issue that extends to all knowledge, not just philosophy.

    What I'm driving at is that it is necessary to have faith in some first principle no matter how you believe - pure science, Christianity, those Hale-Bopp folks, etc. Some bodies of thought are inconsistent, and that's why we don't like the preachers with a $5 million summer home or the Mathematician that tries to find an absolute value for Pi (Circle-squarers) or the Chiropractor that thinks he can cure the common cold by cracking your back.

    Everybody believes in something - even nothing is a something.

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    I do not believe that there is any thing truly good or evil, at least not on this plane of reality.

    The triangle is the most well-balanced geometric shape in this world. It is in fact, truly whole. All the points of a triangle relate in some way with each other. The triangle is absolute because of this. In a square, two points will never interact with each other. Same goes with other, more complex, shapes and forms.
    Sky, water, land. Courage, Power, Wisdom. Hotdogs, hamburgers, tacos. It all balances out in the end.
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    What I get from what you said is that a triangle is the most well-balanced, whole and absolute geomteric shape simply because from any point, you can access the other points via the sides. The premise is correct, and I suppose the conclusion can be as well - depending on what you mean by well-balanced, whole, and absolute. I personally don't see this property as much more than a novelty.

    I look at it from a mathematical perspective (because I'm a mathematician / statistician). A triangle doesn't even have to be constructed out of 'lines' in the traditional sense (think of Poincare's hyberbolic geometry). A triangle doesn't always have exactly 180 degrees as the sum of its interior angles, either. An example is to imagine flying from boston to atlanta to new orleans to boston - you make a triangle, but it's very different from a triangle you'd draw on paper. This is because the surface of the Earth is an elliptical geometry.

    There are certainly ways in which points 'interact' with one another in a square - diagonals, perpendicularity, parallelism, same side, etc.

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    I do see what you're getting at with hyperbolic geometry. If you draw a triangle on a convex or concave surface, the angles don't add up to 180 degrees.

    One interesting thing about mathematics is that it is based on the square model. Imagine trying to learn new maths through the use of the triangle model. That's almost like converting two dimensions into three dimensions on paper.

    Don't forget that out of a triangle, you can draw a tetrahedron. From two tetrahedrons intersecting each other diagonally, you derieve a cube or a octahedron out of it. You can also derieve an icosahedron as well. This is what makes the tetrahedron so versatile in terms of basic geometry.

    I'm at university, learning statistics and mathematical 3D graphs, which are interesting but its nowhere near the level you are describing.

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    I don't know if this has been confused in my posts or not, but i dident mean the triangle is better then any other well defined shape, its just a example to show how different a triangle is to concepts that are not so concrete, like justice ect...


    Quote Originally Posted by Inspire
    Everybody believes in something - even nothing is a something.
    Yeah, its kindo like in-action is a type of action or choosing not to choose.

    Im afraid i don't know math well enough to argue about the two types of geometric realities or whatever it was that you were talking about. Maybe you could explain it, or maybe i will look it up can get back to you.
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    I'll try to explain it when I get some time, I'm sorry I didn't take the time earlier...

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    Mathematic dimentions of reality, triangles, circles, and spirals elipses and eclipses, planets, galaxies, humans, animals, consciousness, unconsciousness, sleep. death. life. budhism, judaism, and catholicism. MUSIC. ART. Hippies. hopes dreams ideas beliefs facts theories hypothesi Philosophy Psychology Astronomy Geology Biology Phisiology Chemistry Alchemy even Physics Mathematics

    My theory:

    During the earth's formation, an icy comet (most likely) collided with our forming planet traveling straight through bursting out the other side coming into orbit slightly changing the orientation of the axis of the earth putting is spinning on a tilt (key component) and over time gravity pulled the floating debris and gasses still surrounding our young planet in (most of it coming to rest on one side and clumping where the comet burst through creating what some might call pangea and the orbiting asteroid, you guessed it, the moon, the last key, as with the tilt in axis, to the formation of life. The abundance of Hydrogen on our planet is the remenance of the icy comet and another factor in the spark of life. Anyways, to the point: if this is true then what does it say for the meaning of life? Well it says a lot. I don't know if this would qualify as quantum physics or what but I have a faulty theory that I'd like to share. OK. So, fact: electrons orbit around a proton/neutron based nucleus. Zoom in, what I believe now is accepted fact is that particles called quarks orbit around a smaller nucleus of quarks which I don't remember whether they have positive and negative charges, most likely, but undoubtedly carry energy no? Zoom out again as I brin up chemical reactions and mellecular bonding and fusion and the exchange of electrons and particles and energies. I'd say that any object with an orbiting "electron" (for lack of a better term) has an energy that can be broken down and used in a variety of different ways fusion being one of the ways, as seen in stars. Planets obviously hold different properties than stars and therefore must have different ways of using energy. Back to the colission between said comet and earth; if a comet hit earth and started orbiting would it create a new "energy" or "force" or yeah (do you get what I mean? no? sh*t.) Chemist have proven that by applying electric pulses to certain elements known to be present in the early stages of earths formation, that amino acids can be formed and cell-like formations with hydrogen-based membrane could be seen(the electric pulses were to recreate lightning likely caused by massive storms that would be enveloping the globe as it cooled down) I don't remember the scientist's name or the experiment but I'm pretty darn sure I know what I'm talking about. Lets call this the planet using its energy. Now having a little faith here, and thats calling it faith I believe the universe is ultimately connected and if everything happens fo a reason then we are here for a universal purpose and will be here until we have carried that purpose out. Not getting into the infinite complexities of what the purpose might be or how we migh carry it out, we just have to have faith that things will work themselves out and whatever we do in our lives be it concieving another human being or buying a Wii there is purpose in it.

    to put it short, do well with what little time you have here because you have one chance; right now. And thats it. I've seen a sig around with a quote from Gandhi "What you do may seem insignificant but it is most important that you do it."

    And thats all I have to say about that... for now... yea

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    Its still a theory. Yet to be fully proved. Sure people have proved aspects of it and they have put the pieces togther how they see it but it doesn't mean that its the right result or hypothesis.

    What you stated was a bunch of scientific theories of how the Earth was formed and how gravity came in and played a role. Whether this is true or not can only be replicated by making a prototype of the real thing... which is yet to happen.

    I find what happens on a universal scale must also happen on a microscopial scale. The bigger world recurs into a smaller and smaller world with seemingly infinite boundaries.

    Look at Jupiter's 'red spot'. Look at the ripples it forms surrounding it. Doesn't it look familiar on a common every day scale with rivers and oceans and clouds? If the scientists can theorise shit, then if they can't replicate it on a microscopial scale, regardless of conditions then that means their theory has the potential to fail...

    String theory or M theory kind of switches the logic stated here around. To prove its theories requires scientists to be able to validate it on a universal scale, which is plain ridiculous IMO. So the theory kind of is like the proverbial donkey following a carrot he can never reach...

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