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    American Vehicles vs European Vehicles

    Sorry, i've got to do this, i see Americans think thier cars are cool, when they're not!
    >American cars Stink, all they know is how to consume furl
    >American cars are much bigger, with no point? All that size for no reason, European cars have much smaller engine's that kick out huge amount's of torgue and BHP! The vehicle over here, have super charged turbo enigine's, Americans just make the engine's bigger
    >I spent time in America and everyone drive's WELL slow! Over here no-one drives below 80mph thats 130kmh btw, and @ night everyone driving 90-100mph, especially on the bigger motorways, whats the point of having all of that power if your not going to use it?
    >Americans have to use automatics, over here the standard is manual, because Eauropean cars are much better, especially when accelerating like we do, round roundabouts, and messy junctions! Manuals both are better for performance, handling around turns, fuel economy and plain enjoyability of driving!
    >LOL, 35 mpg don't make me laugh SERIOUSLY, I saw this soooo many time on American adverts, saying how amazing 35MPG was, LOL. An average Econimical vehicle runs about 65mpg, Our poorest vehicles do around 40, and they have an excuse, either they're vans, or people carriers, LOL, Plus lately we've had realeases of vehicle that can do upto 100mpg, our mini's did that, check out the details of this vehicle:
    http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/press/Lu...s_World_Record
    This vehicle would leave lots of American cars for dust, plus it's a diesel!
    >Over here there allot more diesel vehicles, about half and half in some areas, Diesel vehicles in America are well rare, (diesel engines are the one that big Lorries/trucks have), aaaahh i'm out!
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    Wow, is that short bus you rode in on American or European?

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    It's all about the Japanese-made cars
    That turtle has a brief case. It must be going to work. I hope it has a good day.

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    I aint got a clue what your on about [DT], and yeah, Japanese cars are heavy, and they drive on the right side just like the engwish!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singhson
    I aint got a clue
    Exactly. QFT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singhson
    ...and yeah, Japanese cars are heavy, and they drive on the right side just like the engwish!
    Sorry, have you ever even been to Britain?

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    I live in Britain, it says on the side! West Midlands?
    If your referring to the spelling of English i did it deliberately for a joke!
    Plus what are you on about [DT]?
    If you got something to say spit it out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singhson
    what are you on about [DT]?
    Well your comments about engine dynamics, packaging, efficiency let alone the omission of historical relevance to displacement make me chuckle.


    Quote Originally Posted by Singhson
    European cars have much smaller engine's that kick out huge amount's of torgue and BHP!
    Do you know that in Europe and Japan, there have historically been taxes leveed against the displacement of road cars? It was a way to deal with older inefficient designs, and a simple mechanism for measurement (that can't easily be modified).

    Anyway, Torque is primarily a function of displacement (it's more complex, things like DCR/SCR, etc., affect it as well, not need for this conversation).

    We know that small displacement is the status quo in Europe (based on the aforementioned government edicts), so improving torque gas and thermo dynamics (to increase and harness cylinder pressure). There are many ways to do this, involving a trade off somewhere in the power curve. (i.e. smaller displacement engines are "peaky"). Smaller engines kicking out huge amounts of TQ? Hahaha, not by definition.

    Remember: HP = Torque * RPM / 5252

    So sure, the lower CI motors can make good HP up top if you spin them, or increase their effective displacement with forced induction.

    Also note that nearly ALL performance models from Europe are migrating toward more displacement. The new M3 is a larger V8, the 5.0L V10 from the M5/M6, etc. Those engines are heavy, complex, the OHC design means higher center of gravity, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Singhson
    The vehicle over here, have super charged turbo enigine's, Americans just make the engine's bigger
    This sounds suspiciously like a HP-per-Liter argument which has *zero* relevance on overall packaging and efficiency.

    A terrific example of this is the base 911 vs. a case C6 Corvette - the Vette engine weighs 10lbs less and has 85 more HP and 100 more lb/ft of torque which means better gearing for MPG with the same or better levels of performance.

    Turbo 911's (996) add ~100lbs of dressed engine weight and have *horrific* gas mileage (I know them well as I had an X50 variant on deck to buy a couple of years ago). Plus much more physical packaging size (which forces certain design requirements on chassis, suspension, costs).

    For the record - and I might ask what you've actually owned personally - I've had 4 Vettes, a Supra TT (750HP before sold), a 2nd and 3rd Gen RX7, an Opel, a TR6, a Nova (w/ a 355ci HO), 3 BMW's, a Lexus, a Land Rover Disco II, a Daytona Shelby Z and probably several other cars I'm not thinking of right now.

    So I've had Japanese, US, German, British, sedans, roadsters, SUV's, performance cars in wide ranges of tunes from stock to 750HP super tuned monsters, so I have what I'd consider a reasonably decent perspective on automobiles.

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