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    The Concept of Pride with Ethnicity/Nationality

    I'm here to bring up another interesting/controversial topic that could very well turn out as a worthy debate!

    The topic is: The Concept of Pride with Ethnicity/Nationality.

    Allow me to elaborate on this topic:

    Many people are proud to be a certain nationality or nationalities. They are usually taught by their parents along with the society that THEIR nationality is the best in the world, literally superior to all others. Interestingly enough, those other nationalities that are passed off as "inferior" also suffer from the same complex: They too feel that they have THE best lifestyle and laws and especially--history.

    My conclusion to such a matter is that people need to fill their lives with drama and even a sense of superiority--it actually them feel good.

    Lets take the case with Italians in America--many of them feel "historically" or "culturally" superior to others. "Hey cool, I'm Italian! That automatically sets me to a certain level of "coolness" no matter what I do!" is the feel many Italian-Americans get, and it is true that many people want to "be" like them. Nothing against Italians, but most of their popularity in American pop culture comes from Americanized versions of their food as well as Hollywood, which seems to exaggerate every which thing it comes across. Italians don't seem to have a problem with the floating stereotypes because they are generally positive. I want to make it clear that I have nothing against Italians or any nationality for that matter whatsoever. If I did, this whole topic would be contradict anything I say.


    At the same time, it annoys me to no end when people--especially white Americans--do not know or care to know about their background. These are the people who tell you that they are "White American" and who sometimes say "Well I guess English" simply because of the fact that they speak English due to being brought up with it; virtually every such person speaks only English.

    I am 100% Turkish, and am proud of it in the sense that my ancestors have had a glorious, rich history, our food is one of the best cuisines in the world (tied in 3rd with Chinese cuisine), and our people are some of the most hospitable in the world, thanks to the culture. At the same time I am not ashamed to admit any of the mistakes or disgusting faults my ancestors might have had. Anyone who thinks that they can change history to make it sound good because it was "their people" is nothing short of a fool.

    I wrote about this topic after I saw a video on YouTube. The video showed a confused and suspicious crowd in Turkey with no security measures taken (the whole situation was vague). About a dozen people or so crowded around a suspicious looking bag out of curiosity, when it eventually exploded. Turkey has been victim to many bombings and terrorist actions from outside sources such as the PKK and Armenian Terrorist Groups, who all claim to be Freedom Fighters themselves; while they're actions are unjustified, I have come to know that terrorism is overall bred from an injustice done to a group of people, and is certainly not limited to strictly crazy-minded individuals with unclear agendas.

    Ok so basically, I read through the comments of this video, and quickly found one that was obviously from an excited (due to the reality of the occurrence) and very proud Greek, spartanHoplite7:

    "hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha they got what they deserve gay turks stupid apes hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hah kemalgay"

    While this fellow certainly does not represent the though process of all Greeks, it is true that many Greeks have a deep hatred for Turks, rooted in historical conflicts. Please don't give me points on which side is right or wrong, or who has the right to be angry: that's the point of my discussion, this "born hatred" is something people are TAUGHT, and whose side each person stays on is based almost ENTIRELY on what they have been taught--that their own people are innocent and all others guilty of heinous crimes. Anyways, this excited Greek was obviously very entertained at the fact that it was "Turks" who died and fell victims to such an unfortunate event--he enjoyed watching every moment of it and felt no remorse. How a human being can be made into a heartless one is an amazing thing..anyways, for those of you who don't know: his comment attacked the most well-known and loved man in Turkish history, Kemal Ataturk; he referred to all Turks as apes, implying that "his people" were at least human, if not angels. Now without further ado...

    My response was, in all of 500 characters:

    "Looks like your parents taught you everything you know, and they did a damn well job instilling everything they have fun doing into your puny brain. Your pride disgusts me, you have been desensitized to the point where you laugh at an unfortunate event that took place, because it was inflicted on the Turks. IDC if ur Greek--neither you or I are responsible for the history of our respective ancestors and should not be so proud of something that came out of chance and not choice--nationality."


    I have read other comments on various videos and websites; people angrily expressing themselves, labeling people things like:"Serbian dogs", or "Albanian PIGS", "Armenian dogs", "Turkish Pigs/Bastards", "British assholes", "Dam Frenchies", etc., etc....the list goes on and is absolutely not limited to unresolved European conflicts. Take North Korea and South Korea--is it just a coincidence that residents of their respective nations tend to carry an intense hatred for the other, or has society had a profound and very obvious affect on the way the people think and view the world and others including their own people?

    Finally, my main point is that people carry all this pride--it gives them meaning to their lives, people actually ENJOY tension and would stop at nothing to make it so that "their side" is winning (it's a gamble, you're either gonna be miserable, or falsely/temporarily excited). What one's ancestor's did is NOT related to what YOU can do. We've all seen or heard be it on television or in real life of people angrily shouting "YOU killed my people, etc." In reality, that specific group of people did nothing to them, rather it was a historical conflict. Still, both groups are playing the same game and carry a violent hatred towards one another, even though the roots are in historical conflicts--resolved or not.

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    That's an example,no?

    Well, I honestly wouldn't care much about any "side" winning, I'd rather just be friends with every side, which is what I am to this day.

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    Who are you to say what a certain Nationality of people think about there history? Or the way they feel about other people?

    I think I disagree with almost everything you said.

    Where do you get the fact that "Many" people are taught that they are superior? Do you hang out with a bunch of Nazis?

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    sort of goes along with this but you ever notice that almost anybody that's white and is full of pride is labeled a racist?

    Brown Pride!, Black Pride!, so on and ao forth, you've all likely heard it before and thought nothing of it, just 'oh he's proud of his heritage' and such.
    but now think; have you ever heard White Pride? likely no, you haven't. i've noticed that when someone even mentions the phrase 'White Pride!' that person gets labeled a racist. they think "White Pride? he must be with th KKK." or something similar.

    now i'm white and i'm quite proud of my heritage. am i racist? no but if i were to say white pride i would instantly be labeled a racist.

    it just shows the double standards of the world. like what RPG said cause of how they were raised. it's a double standard that defines that persons life and attitude towards others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romer318 View Post
    Who are you to say what a certain Nationality of people think about there history? Or the way they feel about other people?

    I think I disagree with almost everything you said.

    Where do you get the fact that "Many" people are taught that they are superior? Do you hang out with a bunch of Nazis?
    I was speaking in general terms, meaning it may not necessarily apply to everyone, but does indeed apply to the majority. I didn't say much about specific tensions between specific groups of people, only touched on it. And yes, it's true, that many people are proud of their nationalities simply through being taught that it is (I'm not saying that this is completely absurd, much of it comes naturally). Many people if you ask them what country is the most beautiful besides the one they're living in now, they will tell you the one their parents are from and believe it with all of their hearts (assuming they live in a melting-pot nation and their direct ties to their families have been cut off and unknown, as is the unfortunate case of many African-Americans).

    Our societies teaches us most of our standards, morals, and acceptable behavior. Ethnocentrism is the concept whereby one believes that their country is the best and that all others are inferior. You might want to look it up, it's very interesting, to say the least. During times of war, ethnocentrism for example becomes very popular and the media tries their hardest to get their audience to hate and love the "right" people, at least according to their agendas.

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    sort of goes along with this but you ever notice that almost anybody that's white and is full of pride is labeled a racist?

    Brown Pride!, Black Pride!, so on and ao forth, you've all likely heard it before and thought nothing of it, just 'oh he's proud of his heritage' and such.
    but now think; have you ever heard White Pride? likely no, you haven't. i've noticed that when someone even mentions the phrase 'White Pride!' that person gets labeled a racist. they think "White Pride? he must be with th KKK." or something similar.

    now i'm white and i'm quite proud of my heritage. am i racist? no but if i were to say white pride i would instantly be labeled a racist.

    it just shows the double standards of the world. like what RPG said cause of how they were raised. it's a double standard that defines that persons life and attitude towards others.
    I understand where you're coming from, I am white myself. However, labeling one's self with certain prides is more of a status thing. In fact, it makes a distinction of one group to another. It says "even we (insert ethnicity/color) people can offer much to the society and benefit it just as well or better than everyone else". Whites on the other hand are the majority in America, where this occurs the most due to its extremely diverse peoples, and even if whites aren't the majority anymore as some say is or will be the case in the near future, they surely will remain the biggest minority (and nobody will exceed the 50% mark in terms of population in this sense). Brown power, for example, is a motivating phrase and forms a sense of brotherhood that forms a sort of aura of trust among other "members" of the same "color".
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    I like Wales, and I guess I have some pride in this country, but ultimately I don't see my ethnicity/nationality as that big of a deal.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Napalmbrain View Post
    I like Wales, and I guess I have some pride in this country, but ultimately I don't see my ethnicity/nationality as that big of a deal.
    Being proud isn't a bad thing, but when it comes to the point when if that person was asked "who are the most innovative people in the world" or most intelligent, most "good", etc., they would respond their people from their specific country or the one they feel closest to, if they're a mut.
    "Many religions within a nation causes little conflict, but two religions within a nation is nothing less than conflict."
    "If you can speak three languages, you are trinomial. If you can speak two languages, you are binomial. If you can speak one language, you are American."
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    Being too proud of something you didn't work for one bit is meaningless, really. I have to agree with your wonderful insight yet again, Turk!

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    This is a pretty tl;dr thread, so I'm going to base a response mostly off the first few sentences and the thread title...

    No, I don't think a lot of people are taught by their parents about their nationality. Especially in America. Unless it's an Italian or Irish American or smaller minority of the like, there really isn't any "pride" to be found here, not even American pride, people never hearken back to their roots anymore, they just kind of....Exist. And it's a mediocre excuse for existence.

    Pride for one's ethnic roots is something which has been a very useful tool throughout the ages. It has allowed people to deal with hardship by seeking strength or wisdom in their people of old, it gives people a sense of worth in troubled times, it lets people feel like they are complete and have a place in the world, but most importantly, it gives people a reason to want to fight for what they believe in. As an example of what I mean, take the British. Back in the days when the French and the Brits were battling it out, many of the battles were pretty close calls, fueled only by intuition and devotion on the part of the armies. Now, if those same soldiers didn't "care" about their roots, and their place of origin, and didn't really think they were representing their people on the battle field, they wouldn't be fighting at all, most likely.

    In short, ancestry gives people a reason for existence.

    Me, I'm English. I was born in America, my parents never really told me about my ancestral roots (until I asked, and did some ancestral searching), and I've never even set foot on the isles. Yet, I still consider myself more English than American. I always have, I always will. Because, ever since I was a little boy, I've engrossed myself in the English culture. I make English food, I read English books, all my ancestors were English, etc. I just love my people and their many vast accomplishments. I wouldn't want to be anyone else.

    Now I can tell you, if I did not have that kind of solidification of my true self, if I didn't have my own little origins and niche with which to allign myself, I'd feel kind of like an empty person. I'd feel like I didn't really have a purpose and that I didn't really "fit in". However, I am one of the lucky people who is proud of their heritage, and it's a great thing to be.

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