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    Quote Originally Posted by NateTheGreat
    There are no, I repeat no known viruses/trojans for Mac OS X and little to no spyware.
    wrong. about 2 months ago, it was confirmed that a virus has been made for the mac. just like i said in my last post lol. anyways i love macs and love PCs. now that macs are being built with intel CPUs, it makes them even better (but AMD would be best lol). the only thing i see wrong with macs are the price. i built my PC and it only cost $500 (excluding the screen, HDD, CD/DVD drives) and it runs photoshop, adobe after effects, 3DS Max, and all games on full or close to full graphics settings like a charm. never once have i needed to reboot from a freeze or anything like that. the only thing i dont like about windows is the virus's because that means i need a virus blocker and that is just an app to take up resorces for my games lol. if i could afford a mac, id buy one but right now i dont really need one since my PC does just about the same stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch2025
    wrong. about 2 months ago, it was confirmed that a virus has been made for the mac. just like i said in my last post lol. anyways i love macs and love PCs. now that macs are being built with intel CPUs, it makes them even better (but AMD would be best lol). the only thing i see wrong with macs are the price. i built my PC and it only cost $500 (excluding the screen, HDD, CD/DVD drives) and it runs photoshop, adobe after effects, 3DS Max, and all games on full or close to full graphics settings like a charm. never once have i needed to reboot from a freeze or anything like that. the only thing i dont like about windows is the virus's because that means i need a virus blocker and that is just an app to take up resorces for my games lol. if i could afford a mac, id buy one but right now i dont really need one since my PC does just about the same stuff
    I'll concede and somewhat agree with you about price, mainly with their desktop systems. I personally will probably never buy a desktop Mac, although the Mac Pro, their upcoming power-desktop is probably going to be amazing, because you can build your own AMD rig for really cheap now and with some hacking, you can run Mac OS X on it, although it is very difficult and time consuming and that's not what the Mac is supposed to be about.

    On the other hand, I do believe they make THE BEST laptops available. Go to apple's site and gaze at the MacBook Pro and it's features and find me an equivalent that's as slim and can boot all three major OSs, Mac-Windoz-Linux with ease. It comes at a bit of a high price but once you got it, it will last you 4-5 years longer than your Windoz notebook.

    As for that virus, I'd like to hear the story because I go to Macworld.com all the time and they always tell when some virus, that never turns out to be a true virus, is floating around. The last one I heard of was sort of a trojan that got onto about 50, yes only 50 Macs, through iChat and only screwed with a couple apps. That trojan required you to accept a large file from a friend, type in your password a couple of times, and then actually open the file, to have it do anything and to remove it, all you had to do was a search, delete the trojan-file and at worst, reinstall the apps affected.

    I personally never got this trojan. Also, the Mac has a built in Firewall that includes stealth-mode among other features and if these people who got the trojan had been intelligent users and didn't just accept a file without question, then it wouldn't have gotten any press.

    The only reason so many people use Windows is because Micro$oft basicly created a monopoly and scared everyone into thinking they wouldn't be able to use simple apps like Word, Excel (a program they copied off of Mac).

    Macs can do pretty much everything a Windoz PC can in a more streamlined way, without the hassel/fear of virus problems. Windoz has all the games because of DirectX9 and that's it; that's all it has on the Mac, in my opinion.

    I say if people don't have the money for a Mac (it's an investment by the way), then atleast run some form of Linux. It's free, works on almost every system and is pretty reliable, although networking can be a b$%#@. Check out the vids here of what Linux can do.

    Now take some of what they offer and put in non-config network system and you've basicly got the Mac OS, minus some bells and whistels and ease of use.

    That's my 2 cents, or maybe $2 worth.
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    thats the link to the story about the virus. doesnt really do much but still. macs are becoming more and more popular which means more and more assholes will start making virus's for it. also one of the reasons people say windows isnt reliable at all is because they dont maintain it. like you said, with a mac, all the maintanice is done automaticly but it isnt that way with PC. i do maitanace weekly on my PC and have auto virus scans every other day and auto derag every other week. my PC has been on for 5 weeks now with out any slowdown or freezes. damn now i really want a mac. damn you

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    Yeha i decided to get the macbook and i am waiting until christmas to get it becasue i am getting it as a gift w00t!

    and i know about leopard and iwork07 and i dont think i will need charts but oh well. and i love the one button mouse becuase from what i can see the only time you need to right click you can by just holding down the mouse button for a couple of seconds. on the dock at least.

    i also want to buy the wireless keyboard for my macbook because it will connect with bluetooth and i can use it as a desktop when i am at home.

    thanks for your care

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fierce Deity
    Yeha i decided to get the macbook and i am waiting until christmas to get it becasue i am getting it as a gift w00t!

    and i know about leopard and iwork07 and i dont think i will need charts but oh well. and i love the one button mouse becuase from what i can see the only time you need to right click you can by just holding down the mouse button for a couple of seconds. on the dock at least.

    i also want to buy the wireless keyboard for my macbook because it will connect with bluetooth and i can use it as a desktop when i am at home.

    thanks for your care

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    Nice! Oh, and I just realized, I didn't put a link to the bluetooth mouse I use; here it is. I don't hate the one-button style, since holding it down will work some of the time and if it doesn't then you do a CTRL+click. I like two-button mainly for first person shooters.

    Oh and Mitch, I wanted to respond to what you said aswell.
    I don't believe the Mac will become rampant with viruses as more people move over to the platform because of it's built-in firewall, whenever something might try to download in the background, like things do on Windoz, it brings up a request for your username and password so it would need to be a very advanced virus, or trojan. Also, people don't have as much hatered for Macs because they don't see them as this all-powerful, uninspiring corporation like they see Micro$oft; once people see how nice and secure Mac OS X is, they would probably say "why would I ever want to create a virus for this?" Then again, some people (I call them losers) would try just to get their place in history.

    Also, I am not a Windoz hater. It's not the worst OS in the world, although Windows ME was...well I don't even want to talk about it it was so bad.

    I, for one, started out using Windows 95 and I would never touch Mac OS 9 (although I once had to when my work place had an old Mac) because it was designed really horribly. I'm also guessing that Windows Vista will be better than Xp, although I won't go near it and I'm guessing many schools and businesses won't either because of it's system requriements.

    Sorry for the long posts, but I think this is a really good conversation we have going here.

    There should be more of these sort of friendly-debates because they're fun and we all learn something, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NateTheGreat
    Nice! Oh, and I just realized, I didn't put a link to the bluetooth mouse I use; here it is. I don't hate the one-button style, since holding it down will work some of the time and if it doesn't then you do a CTRL+click. I like two-button mainly for first person shooters.
    i agree but like i said the only games i play on computers are rollercoaster tycoon and the sims

    i LOVE how on the macbook you can put two fingers on the pad and click and that is a right click
    and two fingers also scrolls witch is awesome too


    id rather people make long postes because it cuts down on confusing conversation. i also started out on windows 95 even tho im 14 now that was a long time ago and i was young but i still got a feel of how it was. i also was like afraid of macs because we were all taught in schools about windows and the lack of a taskbar at the bottom was freaky to me.

    but now that ive gotten hands on with os x tiger i cant wait for leopard to come out.

    heres a question for you:

    is the upgrade from tiger to leopard equivalant to xp-vista, or is os9-osx like xp-vista

    because im not sure what they are adding/fixing on the upgrade to leopard and what can i be compared to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fierce Deity
    i agree but like i said the only games i play on computers are rollercoaster tycoon and the sims

    i LOVE how on the macbook you can put two fingers on the pad and click and that is a right click
    and two fingers also scrolls witch is awesome too


    id rather people make long postes because it cuts down on confusing conversation. i also started out on windows 95 even tho im 14 now that was a long time ago and i was young but i still got a feel of how it was. i also was like afraid of macs because we were all taught in schools about windows and the lack of a taskbar at the bottom was freaky to me.

    but now that ive gotten hands on with os x tiger i cant wait for leopard to come out.

    heres a question for you:

    is the upgrade from tiger to leopard equivalant to xp-vista, or is os9-osx like xp-vista

    because im not sure what they are adding/fixing on the upgrade to leopard and what can i be compared to?
    You know what's funny? I still, on ocassion, have to boot into Windoz 95. We have an old, but strangly reliable Compaq Pissario, which now runs Puppy Linux off of a LiveCD; if you have an old PC like mine, definitly try PuppyLinux because it's about as fast as Windows 98 and it can connect to the broadband we have. I tried invain a while back to install 98, but it always sputtered to a halt, thus I tried linux and it never crashes; the PC has I think about 100MB of RAM, a 4GB harddrive and a Pentium II CPU, so it's pretty impressive to have it surfing the web at almost the speed of the Pentium 4s at my school.

    Anywho, as for your questions. I would say Windows Xp-Windows Vista is pretty similar to OS9-OSX because Windoz has hardly changed their OS, even with Vista. Then again, I'm not an expert on Windows Vista, even though I took a class to become a Certified PC Technician this year in which we had to talk about nothing but tired old Windoz; sorry, but even all the Windoz lovers hated Windoz by the end of that class

    As for new features in Leapord, I basicly know as much as you do right now. Apple hasn't announced a thing (once you buy your Mac and become a bit of a Mac-head, you'll see Apple is always sneaky, to a fault sometimes).

    I would check out OSx86project.org, the site that really got Mac OS X running on PCs and also got Windoz running on Macs, and ThinkSecret.com, a fairly reliable rumor site, for spectulations.
    I'm hoping they'll have iWork '07 standard, so we don't have to buy it, and a built in emmulator like Parallels Desktop, which allows you to run Windows or Linux in a window within Mac OS X. That's right: you can run Mac OS X, Windoz, and Linux at the same time!! I'm really hopeing Apple will take some ques from the Xgl Linux desktop; definitly check out these videos.

    I'll keep an eye out for any leaked features of Leapord and post them here.

    If you have more questions, feel free to ask.

    *EDIT* Nice new signature, Fierce.
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    lol thanks

    is there a linux software that is already developed i dont have to do anything but use it that can boot beside windows xp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fierce Deity
    lol thanks

    is there a linux software that is already developed i dont have to do anything but use it that can boot beside windows xp?
    Yes, I would suggest Ubuntu. Now, if you're talking about the kind that were on that page I linked to, I'm not sure how to do that kind of stuff; you have to find all these extentions and plug-ins and I don't know how to do all that, but if you want something better than WindowsXp, then Ubuntu will definitly please you. If you've never used linux before, then what you need to do is go here and pick out the version you need, a.k.a download the PC (Intel) version if you have an Intel processor, or the PC (AMD64 version) if you have an AMD processor; there's also one for the non-Intel Macs but don't worry because they said they will be coming out with a version that will work on the new Intel Macs aswell as the old ones soon. Download which ever version is compatible with your computer in the Desktop CD list, so you won't actually have to install Ubuntu, but instead give it a try.

    Once you've downloaded the file, a .iso file, you'll need to burn it to a disc. When I say burn, I mean use Roxio, or whatever cd burning software you use. I believe Roxio has a feature for burning data discs, which is what this essentially is.

    Once burnt, restart your computer with the disc still in the drive and it should boot from the disc.

    If it doesn't, then you'll have to press a specific key or two on your keyboard when your PC is booting up to bring up the boot-order list; usually you'll need to press F8 or F10. From there, you'll change the boot to your CD drive as the first place.

    Now, if you have dial-up, setting up internet may be very difficult. If you have broadband, however, it shouldn't require any setup.

    If this was too complicated, I'll be less specific.

    Sorry, I probably should have made this a private message, but there may be others here who would like experimenting with Linux and other operating systems.

    Definitly ask if you have questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NateTheGreat
    Yes, I would suggest Ubuntu. Now, if you're talking about the kind that were on that page I linked to, I'm not sure how to do that kind of stuff; you have to find all these extentions and plug-ins and I don't know how to do all that, but if you want something better than WindowsXp, then Ubuntu will definitly please you. If you've never used linux before, then what you need to do is go here and pick out the version you need, a.k.a download the PC (Intel) version if you have an Intel processor, or the PC (AMD64 version) if you have an AMD processor; there's also one for the non-Intel Macs but don't worry because they said they will be coming out with a version that will work on the new Intel Macs aswell as the old ones soon. Download which ever version is compatible with your computer in the Desktop CD list, so you won't actually have to install Ubuntu, but instead give it a try.

    Once you've downloaded the file, a .iso file, you'll need to burn it to a disc. When I say burn, I mean use Roxio, or whatever cd burning software you use. I believe Roxio has a feature for burning data discs, which is what this essentially is.

    Once burnt, restart your computer with the disc still in the drive and it should boot from the disc.

    If it doesn't, then you'll have to press a specific key or two on your keyboard when your PC is booting up to bring up the boot-order list; usually you'll need to press F8 or F10. From there, you'll change the boot to your CD drive as the first place.

    Now, if you have dial-up, setting up internet may be very difficult. If you have broadband, however, it shouldn't require any setup.

    If this was too complicated, I'll be less specific.

    Sorry, I probably should have made this a private message, but there may be others here who would like experimenting with Linux and other operating systems.

    Definitly ask if you have questions.
    thanks and does ubuntu have duel boot feature?
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