You just repeated yourself, like, 8 times.
I have often said similar comments as SFO says. I feel that SNES was the best system game title wise. The RPG's were long, interesting, and fun! (wish that we would have gotten the Dragon Warrior/Quest ones here in the states).
I grew up with Atari and then I really loved both NES and SNES......and then of course I bought all the other systems afterwards, but the enjoyment I had with SNES titles were far more intense than with other systems. I was so sad when the N64 came out and the lack of RPG's......made me buy a PS1 so I could continue that fun, but by then, they were trying to make 3d stuff and it just wasn't the same.
But, however, I really like the Wii. I enjoy the controllers, the games I have (I have 9 disc games and about 20 vc games). The controller works for me, the titles are fun, and I enjoy myself. It's a different kind of enjoyment, but it works for me, as I understand that games just progress and we can't go back to where it was. The biggest thing I am grateful for is the VC, so I can have my other system games on there instead of having to plug in all of the systems. At one time I owned 13 systems at once (NES, SNES, 64, Cube, GBC, GBA, Master, Genesis, Gear, PS1, PS2, Saturn, Ghettocast) and it was just too much. Now I am down to a 360, Wii, DS, GCN(kept for the gba player), and Ps2 and it's much easier to maintain my entertainment center.
God, in my old age I rambled on. Sorry! Anyways, as much as I feel about SNES, I feel that Nintendo is back on track. So I agree with Lee that Nintendo is back on track from it's N64/cube days, and I could see how it would be hard for you as someone who didn't grow up with the older systems before the newer ones came out to not feel that nostalgia. And I also think the DS and GBA work well for the SNES nostalgia effects, as Rolex pointed out.
You just repeated yourself, like, 8 times.
I agree with you Shift, I doubt anybody can deny that the golden ages of video gaming by Nintendo took place in the 80s and 90s, all starting with the NES and ending with the N64. However, I disagree when you say that Nintendo has been moving downhill lately, although they may have left their classic scheme behind, Nintendo is currently coming out with great games...how? Creativity, that's a trait/factor that the NES, SNES, N64, GC, and Wii all hold. That is what I think, distinguishes Nintendo from current competitors.
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Age. I honestly think an important part of the problem is age. The SNES was wonderful, as was the whole 16-bit era, but hell, to me so was the 8-bit era and playing on my Amstrad CPC 464 At the moment, in terms of stone cold classics, the SNES has the most of my favourites on any machine, but part of that is through the realisation that several things happened during that era:
- Arcades were easier to emulate on home formats
- The 2D era has almost reached its zenith
- Many genres has been given time to mature and grow to their possibilities
-Gaming was still quite fresh in terms of mainstream viability
Arcades are, by all extents and purposes, a lost art. 3D has yet to reach that sort of zenith 2D reached, because there's so much more to it and it's far more expensive. Genres have been run into the ground after decades of growth. And gaming is no longer the 'underground' medium it once was, as we’re exposed to it in all forms.
There's tons of other factors too, which make me agree with Shift to an extent – Miyamoto has a comparatively small hands-on role compared to what he used to have, game development times have increased so more corners are cut, money is a larger factor than ever, design is now more rigid than its has been and we're a bit more jaded than we were before.
But I honestly do think it comes with growing up with a medium as young as this one. Many kids growing up in this era will probably feel the same in 10-15 years time, and may treat our renaissance period like some may treat art, movies and music's 'renaissance' periods – with a mild curiosity, but it just wont be 'modern' enough (as such with our visual and tech driven medium - no other medium is as tech driven as gaming). I doubt many middle to old aged people would think much of our art/music/films compared to that of that golden age either (in the cases where the medium isn’t so old that we have no surviving members left, I'm sure you know what I mean ) Some don’t appreciate Beethoven's 9th in the same way they appreciate Justin Timberlake's new hit, because they're not given historical reference to it – just like some wont know how important Super Mario Kart and Final Fantasy VI and Secret of Mana was to us.
It's just growth combined with commercialism, I think. And, as Rolex has already said, the DS manages to straddle both sides making it one of the best machines going for all generations. Recapturing that feeling you had during one of the medium's peaks is probably going to very difficult no matter how Nintendo or other companies make their games (after all, they change as well, in staff, mentality and aims) – but it's a bit like trying to recapture the first time you fell in love, whether that be with a certain song, person, book or film. It's always going to be different and not necessarily better or worse. The important thing is that you keep yourself open to trying and hopefully get a surprise out of it one day
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Shift you sound around the same age as myself. I remember my first play on a SNES, it was awesome. But then so were Devil Jawbreakers and Reebok Pump.
I think as we get older, part of the magic is lost, as is with christmas.
I pre-ordered the Wii in Oct 2006. I love the Wii, but maybe we're not true kids at heart anymore because, well, we're not kids?
Nintendo are doing what they've always done. Go against the grain, and never follow the sheep. It's just this time, it's become the major player (unexpected)
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the nes is where it's at, it was the comeback kid after the market crash, now everything else is old and stale.
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I'd give the console a chance before making comparisons and conclusions. Fair enough its been out since the end of last year now but games (atleast the decent ones IMO) are still to come out. Old NES/SNES classics will no doubt make an appearance, Mario is already on the way for starters.
At the same time they have to move on its almost 15 years (maybe longer, I lose count) since I played Mario Allstars and Formula 1. Most of the SNES games wouldn't cut it today, thats not to say some can't be reworked and brought in to the 21st century for the Wii.
As for repeating games, I expect nothing less of them to repeat/rework/continue titles such as Mario and Zelda. Sony/Polyphony have the Gran Turismo series, then theres Crash Bandicoot.
Given time who knows, maybe Nintendo will take a look at their back catalogue and see what can be done for the Wii. Or maybe those days are long gone and we'll have to make do with the new style of gaming Nintendo and the others intend for us.
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i agree 100% with ya shift... a lil weird.. but i was saying this to my brother not too long ago the SNES days were it.. i mean the games were top notch the storys were great it was different.. everything wasnt FPS of course lol but it was great... nintendo has gone down hill and i will admit this. ive had a nintendo since i was 3 (1989) and enjoyed it eversince.
mario paint was great i almost forgot about this game it was awesome, could keep ya busy for hours. maybe we will see it on VC...