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    Casual Gamers, Wiis biggest enemy?

    As a former gamecube owner Ive been slightly sceptical about the Wiis success. Wii is all about opening up the market and reaching out to traditional non-gamers. Apparently (sorry Ive forgotten the source) 360 gamers buy the most games and I dont see these new gamers helping the Wiis game sales. Can you really see your granny buying Twighlight Princess ? If Nintendo fail to poach gamers from Microsoft and Sony we may see a huge increase in hardware sales (which we have already seen) but software sales may not take off. If these new gamers fail to pick up Brawl, MP3 or Galaxy, surely we cant expect anything more than the fate of the Gamecube.

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    Hahahaha... no.

    First off, The Wii makes money with each console they sell, whereas the PS3 loses cash and i'd be willing to bet the 360 doesnt make much. So even if the wii sells less games, Nintendo itself is still profitable.

    And who says casual gamers buy less games? A hardcore gamer may buy 5 halo-like games, a casual gamer may buy 5 mario party type games. Either way, there's money made. I really doubt casual gamers buy their console, buy 2 games, and then just stop looking at new games. That realllyy wouldn't make sense, as long as companies keep making games aimed at casual players we'll keep seeing game sales.

    And if we're gonna have a problem selling games... why are Zelda and Paper Mario outselling pretty much everything? That doesnt make much sense, does it?

    And the Wii has hardcore gamers. Just because the target market has shifted doesnt mean some serious gamers have gotten along for the ride. If they hadn't, we wouldnt see games like RE4 and Manhunt being developed.

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    Ahem....online and 3rd party support plagued the GC...

    WTF are you on about? The wii is running a risk of a Kiddy image atm. Casual gamers are it's bread and butter.

    You should've made this thread on how we NEED more hardcore stuff....

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarguy9
    Hahahaha... no.

    First off, The Wii makes money with each console they sell, whereas the PS3 loses cash and i'd be willing to bet the 360 doesnt make much. So even if the wii sells less games, Nintendo itself is still profitable.

    And who says casual gamers buy less games? A hardcore gamer may buy 5 halo-like games, a casual gamer may buy 5 mario party type games. Either way, there's money made. I really doubt casual gamers buy their console, buy 2 games, and then just stop looking at new games. That realllyy wouldn't make sense, as long as companies keep making games aimed at casual players we'll keep seeing game sales.

    And if we're gonna have a problem selling games... why are Zelda and Paper Mario outselling pretty much everything? That doesnt make much sense, does it?


    And the Wii has hardcore gamers. Just because the target market has shifted doesnt mean some serious gamers have gotten along for the ride. If they hadn't, we wouldnt see games like RE4 and Manhunt being developed.
    Thanks for the hahaha. Here was me thinking this forum was about opinion. Anyway.

    Firstly I was aware that Nintendo makes profit on each console while Sony doesnt but this isnt about profit. If retailers dont shift games they wont stock them anymore, the same thing that happened over here (Europe) with the Gamecube.

    The last time I checked Zelda was only 15 in the charts and here in Europe paper mario aint even out.

    I have to say I genuinely do believe casual gamers are more likely to buy wii play and be quite happy to play that and Wii sports and never buy anything else.
    Last edited by madbeanman; 06-16-2007 at 08:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madbeanman
    I have to say I genuinely do believe casual gamers are more likely to buy wii play and be quite happy to play that and Wii sports and never buy anything else.
    I personally did not feel that as time passed. I've owned my Wii since late december '06 and definitely have lost some interest in playing wii sports/play; I still play both occasionally but not as much as I did in the first month after initially getting them. Nearly any kind of gamer would want to try other games that they desire sometime later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riviet
    I personally did not feel that as time passed. I've owned my Wii since late december '06 and definitely have lost some interest in playing wii sports/play; I still play both occasionally but not as much as I did in the first month after initially getting them. Nearly any kind of gamer would want to try other games that they desire sometime later.
    To echo what MadBeanMan has said re. casual gamers(mom and pop) stopping at WiiSports / Play maybe Boogie - then it's what I have been saying since I got mine on launch day.

    Riviet, you: I am presuming: have gamed for a while and have brand awareness of quite a few games, you certainly post on a forum and that pretty much is all the evidence one would need to presume that you play more than a couple fo hours a week or when you have friends round for a dinner party / Friday night pissup in the font room.

    So with this in mind - it would takea hell of a lot longer for the stereotypical CASUAL gamer to become fed up of WiiSports etc. They would only look at Wii as a cheap investment and some good laffs in company.

    Casual gamers won't GENERALLY progress to buying magazines everymonth, checking IGN or Gamespot etc for the latest news...of course I am projecting a model here which may or may not be true but we can go on most of the evidence.

    If all these casual gamers were interested in games then why kick off with Wii - lots of consoles out there, lots of games over the years. Wii has attracted people with simplicity and curiosity and herein lies the problem for them - 40 snots is a lot to buy something out of the budget which you don't know anything about and anyway "I'm still into WiiSport..sooooo I'll leave it for now"

    If the majority of first time gamers have this attitude then where will the large volume of sales come from.

    Of course it is looking the other way at the minute with party / mini game titles selling for the Wii so the above presumtion is way off......for now!!! MWUHaaaaHaaaaHaaaa..cough cough!!
    ---Smithy...
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    I believe the only way a casual gamer is going to buy other games is by word of mouth. They won't look on forums, IGN, etc. But if a friend comes around and tells them how great a game is, 90% of the time they will buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brawny
    Ahem....online and 3rd party support plagued the GC...

    WTF are you on about? The wii is running a risk of a Kiddy image atm. Casual gamers are it's bread and butter.

    You should've made this thread on how we NEED more hardcore stuff....
    lets look at how the Wii makes a Fifa game.



    I mean seriously, I couldnt play a soccer game that had kiddy style graphics implimented into it. This is Fifa 08 we are talking about. People wonder why ninty has a kiddy image, because its marketed towards kids the most. (btw, myamoto invented a way to have more realistic looking and better looking faces, like miis but actually a million times better looking. it was an addon for the n64, however, nintendo doesnt take myamoto seriously anymore and scrapped his ideas. Years later with the wii they reinvented his idea, though giving credit to someone else and made the miis look like kiddie drawn characters. You see the problem is, nintendo had a better system made available by myamoto himself, but gave him the finger and then released a childish mii system instead.)

    Lets now compare the Wii Fifa 08 to the PS3 Fifa 08.

    I really dont need to say more concerning this, because anyone with eyes can tell. The wii runs off a 700mhz system. The Gamecube was 500hmz. The psp runs a 333mhz cpu. The ds lite runs off a 67 mhz cpu. The 360 is 2.4 gigahertz (1000mhz is equal to 1 gigahertz ) and the PS3 is even more powerful than that. As you can see, theres a huge gap between the potential and capabilities of each system. Even the small handheld psp is half as powerful as the wii. For a hand held system, that says a lot about the wii.

    What ninty needed to do was have better hardware in order to have cleaner mature looking games. As seen so far, games like the Godfather, which are more realistic in style look like old ps2 games. This is why we will see more cartoony looking games on the wii because with that style, its less apparent on how bad the graphics are.

    The casual gamers will flock to the wii because they want that quick fix, but that quick fix is.. quick. It runs out, fast and many might end up getting tired of their wii when other consoles are still going strong. Its a double edged sword nintendo has given us. They know it too, as the wii is merely the mean in which they can make a quick buck to make up for the quasifailure that was the game cube. I think they will relize the wii is a one shot deal, they cant repeat the same tactic and have happy gamers.
    Last edited by Shiftfallout; 06-16-2007 at 10:14 PM.


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    LOL, not seeing why you're quoting ME there Shift. Unless you are just elaborating, because you're post is what I'm saying...:/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brawny
    LOL, not seeing why you're quoting ME there Shift. Unless you are just elaborating, because you're post is what I'm saying...:/
    haha i should have bolded the middle line. You mentioned the thing about nintendo possibly starting to look too kiddy. I elaborated on it and merged it in with the OP's topic.

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