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    Gearhead Surf Coder [DT]'s Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by sremick
    Companies say lots of things. They aren't always true and they aren't always held to any standard of having to tell the truth.

    In other words, just because Nintendo made a claim about the law doesn't make it true, and just because it has/was allowed to persist doesn't mean it was ever contested/proven/etc.

    In this case, the law would seem to contradict what Nintendo is trying to claim:

    http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#117
    Not at all - FYI, I have some legal background and have done some consulting in copyright law, derivative work, IP/IC, etc.

    The law cited only implies coverage for the content in question - Nintendo could lobby that video game media doesn't fall into "computer program" but under the Title codes that protect entertainment media. I bet there's a 1000 page license agreement locked up in the Nintendo tower that covers all the esoteric details.

    Not to mention (and this could be the clincher), if making an "archive copy" requires bypassing copy protection, the act of making a usable copy violates a handful of laws in and of itself. This is/was the sticky situation for companies producing DVD/DVR/Ripping type devices - DVD CCA said it's OK to copy them but not bypass DRM.

    Er, OK, so that's like a yes, but not really

    For that matter, you might even argue that copy protection in itself violates Chapter 1/Section 117 as it disallows you to make that archive copy which you are supposedly entitled to do.

    I do know that the Feds cracked down in the US on dozens of ModChip companies and those people are potentially facing serious charges (i.e., a device to bypass copy protection, even if it's marketed for "archive copies" violates some interpretation of Chapter 1/DRM/DMCA).

    Good food for thought though

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    Right, I'm aware of the Fair-Use vs. DMCA contradiction. They have yet to resolve that one for good in court. You'd think that the people who pass the laws would sort out fundamental (and blatantly-obvious) stuff like this before passing the laws, but welcome to the USA.

    But... do Wii discs have any sort of copy protection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sremick
    Right, I'm aware of the Fair-Use vs. DMCA contradiction. They have yet to resolve that one for good in court. You'd think that the people who pass the laws would sort out fundamental (and blatantly-obvious) stuff like this before passing the laws, but welcome to the USA.

    But... do Wii discs have any sort of copy protection?
    [ edit: wasn't sure what the language tolerance was in here ]

    They must, I've been trying to copy the dang things for months!




























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    Well that makes some sense, ie the "it's legal to copy but not legal to crack/hack or whatever the DRM."

    Of course it's just data on a disk ultimately and it does seem to me that creating a hardware reader that could read it bit for bit and reproduce it irrespective of the content of the software should also technically be legal IMO.

    Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [DT]
    Yeah, the used/preowned stuff can be a little sketchy! We've been on Netflix for years, and I'm amazed at some of the DVD's we get.
    switch to Blockbuster. havent had a broken DVD since i switched over. AND a free in store game rental every month, seven dollar value, AND in store free rentals (now rivaled by netflix's online movies though, hows that work btw?)

    anyways on topic.. DVD's are reliable enough.. just dont treat your 50 dollar purchase like crap!
    Last edited by SensesFail; 09-14-2007 at 10:41 PM.


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    You can smear a banana over the back of any DVD or CD and then wipe it off with the peel and spray windex wipe the rest off with a towel and after 10 minutes and all of those minor scratches come right off. Just throwing that out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6ix
    You can smear a banana over the back of any DVD or CD and then wipe it off with the peel and spray windex wipe the rest off with a towel and after 10 minutes and all of those minor scratches come right off. Just throwing that out there.

    you gotta be kidding...bannana go's into the mouth not CD's silly
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    I know EA (in the UK at least) operate a policy where you can get ruined discs replaced at £10 for a new disc. It's somewhere in the manual or other paperwork that comes with the game.

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