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    I realize their choice of control scheme limits the system, but it was the only thing they could do to try and make the console more appealing to thing non-gamers.
    They lost the hardcore crowd during the N64/Gamecube generations. They know that most males under 18 are used to Sony or Microsoft.

    The seeds they sowed in the 8 and 16 bit generations of gaming were reaching their end. The roots only go so deep, and a lot of the people who were raised on the NES and Super NES "grew up" and moved on from gaming.

    They were detached from the current youth, and they tried so hard to appeal to the kids. (which back in the day were your target audience not the young adults) That the older crowd abandoned them due their neglect of more mature titles to keep with the times.

    The wii was a desperate attempt to regain some ground, they knew the only way they could get back into the game was to re-appeal to those who stood by them so long ago. But how do you get someone who hasn't touched a console in 10 years to rekindle their old past time when they're overwhelmed by the complexity of new technologies?

    By making a controller that felt simple again, hence the wii-mote. It seems gimmicky to us but to their target audience it was just what they needed.

    Nintendo also had a VERY limited budget on which to make the Wii. They lost millions of dollars due to the back to back failures of the n64 and the game cube. So the wii-mote was the most affordable answer they had.

    The reason for no Hard Drive? Too expensive for them to mass produce.
    The reason for no HD? Their target area (Japan) is still predominantly using standard definition televisions.
    They figured the technophiles would go after the ps3 or 360 over the wii anyway due to their impressive benchmark specs. So as far as they know the only people who would be concerned with HD were rooting for the other teams anyway.

    They at least realize, finally, that the internet exists in almost every household, and added built in wi-fi. That at least we can be thankful for. Also we don't have to pay them to use it. (Micro soft could take a lesson from that.)

    By the time when you can upgrade your 360 or ps3 to fit the new wave of technology (which I doubt will be possible.) The successor to the wii will already be out ,and will be able to keep pace with the upgraded ps3 and xbox. And the fact that there is only falsh memory card to store your info on makes it simple to carry your VC games over from wii to the new system.

    As far as I know the ps3 and the 360 are only able to upgrade their firmware and hard drives. I don't think you can send it back to Sony/Micro Soft and have them replace the Graphics chip with an updated model and just send it back. Wouldn't they have to change the entire architecture thus requiring an entirely new board?
    If so then why not just but a new console altogether,instead of just an upgraded graphics card when both are going to require pretty much a whole new system to accommodate the new technology?
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    Who cares about total console sales numbers. People that are hung up on the number of consoles sold should get a life. Seriously. What is the point of caring?? I mean really, what do you get out of it?
    Not like you are benefiting from sales or anything. Plus, the numbers are skewed anyways since they all we're released on different dates. Oh well, stupid numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Extra Life Mushroom
    I realize their choice of control scheme limits the system, but it was the only thing they could do to try and make the console more appealing to thing non-gamers.
    They lost the hardcore crowd during the N64/Gamecube generations. They know that most males under 18 are used to Sony or Microsoft.

    The seeds they sowed in the 8 and 16 bit generations of gaming were reaching their end. The roots only go so deep, and a lot of the people who were raised on the NES and Super NES "grew up" and moved on from gaming.

    They were detached from the current youth, and they tried so hard to appeal to the kids. (which back in the day were your target audience not the young adults) That the older crowd abandoned them due their neglect of more mature titles to keep with the times.

    The wii was a desperate attempt to regain some ground, they knew the only way they could get back into the game was to re-appeal to those who stood by them so long ago. But how do you get someone who hasn't touched a console in 10 years to rekindle their old past time when they're overwhelmed by the complexity of new technologies?

    By making a controller that felt simple again, hence the wii-mote. It seems gimmicky to us but to their target audience it was just what they needed.

    Nintendo also had a VERY limited budget on which to make the Wii. They lost millions of dollars due to the back to back failures of the n64 and the game cube. So the wii-mote was the most affordable answer they had.

    The reason for no Hard Drive? Too expensive for them to mass produce.
    The reason for no HD? Their target area (Japan) is still predominantly using standard definition televisions.
    They figured the technophiles would go after the ps3 or 360 over the wii anyway due to their impressive benchmark specs. So as far as they know the only people who would be concerned with HD were rooting for the other teams anyway.

    They at least realize, finally, that the internet exists in almost every household, and added built in wi-fi. That at least we can be thankful for. Also we don't have to pay them to use it. (Micro soft could take a lesson from that.)

    By the time when you can upgrade your 360 or ps3 to fit the new wave of technology (which I doubt will be possible.) The successor to the wii will already be out ,and will be able to keep pace with the upgraded ps3 and xbox. And the fact that there is only falsh memory card to store your info on makes it simple to carry your VC games over from wii to the new system.

    As far as I know the ps3 and the 360 are only able to upgrade their firmware and hard drives. I don't think you can send it back to Sony/Micro Soft and have them replace the Graphics chip with an updated model and just send it back. Wouldn't they have to change the entire architecture thus requiring an entirely new board?
    If so then why not just but a new console altogether,instead of just an upgraded graphics card when both are going to require pretty much a whole new system to accommodate the new technology?
    Wow, Very well said.

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    wow big deal they finaly out sold some one, after being on the bottom of the totam pole for like the last 10 years. Its not the reason i dislike the wii, i don't realy dislike the wii itself but the crap that comes out for the wii. If better games came out for the wii meaning games that have innovative thoughts put into it not just a port, or a quick cashin or copy of something already done then im sure less people would talk down on the wii.

    The wii is a great SYSTEM but most of the SOFTWARE is garbage and does the system no justice, except for the few games NINTENDO brings out every two to three months apart if not longer. I don't like what comes out for it and who its geard towards when this system can be more than, and better than what it is being used for.
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    ^^ i agree with him entirely..

    i have all 3 systems and i hate them all aswell..

    the wii isnt releasing many "worthy" games as i had hoped.

    the 360 is releasing "hyped" up games that are good and pretty. but are sadly very short.

    and ps3... well i havent bought a game yet :X so i cant say anything.

    im rather disappointed in all of this. how gameplay limits graphics. and how graphics limit longevity of a game. i remember the days where graphics meant nothing and games were good and fun.

    like castlevania. or even the old school final fantasy series. where games took a bit longer than a day or two to beat.


    but ohh well im completely offtopic i suppose. just felt like sharing

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    Back in those days it wasn't all about the money, yes money was important but this industry wasn't for every one then. You had quality games becuase it was a set group of people that enjoyed what they did, and created great games. Now that the game industry has gotten bigger than the movie and other entertainment industries its all about the quick buck, and the most hyped or advertised system or game.

    What i find funny is that every one makes a big deal of the wii being sold out and hard to find, but last time i check the first year it was the same way for the 360. and even the ps2 when it came out. You even had 360's going for 1000.00 and up on ebay. The differnce i see is that xbox increased its production rate while nintendo plays the hype game. Just think about it don't you find it funny how its like no wiis for like two months and then magicaly on black friday its 350,00 wii's or more i forget the number, and then wow magicaly there is no more. THen i bet right before and after christmas there will be another big shipment. Its the oldes trick in the buisness world to create demand. You put out a product then you announce its sold out, then you get every one paying attention to it being sold out, then you release a little here and make it sold out again. so now it looks like its bigger then it realy is. Microsoft was going to keep playing the same game but it ran into its red ring problem, and it wanted to flood the market before playstation came out, to close the gap it had the previous year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yungblood6
    wow big deal they finaly out sold some one, after being on the bottom of the totam pole for like the last 10 years. Its not the reason i dislike the wii, i don't realy dislike the wii itself but the crap that comes out for the wii. If better games came out for the wii meaning games that have innovative thoughts put into it not just a port, or a quick cashin or copy of something already done then im sure less people would talk down on the wii.

    The wii is a great SYSTEM but most of the SOFTWARE is garbage and does the system no justice, except for the few games NINTENDO brings out every two to three months apart if not longer. I don't like what comes out for it and who its geard towards when this system can be more than, and better than what it is being used for.
    Thank you, Younglvood 6. Thank you. I feel the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yungblood6
    The differnce i see is that xbox increased its production rate while nintendo plays the hype game.
    Seriously dude, can you just look past your flawed logic and see the facts right in front of your face?

    The Wii has outsold the 360's 2 year sales total in one year. That means the Wii is selling at twice the rate of the XBox 360. Nintendo has increased production, but there is only so much they can do when they are already making over a million consoles a month.

    As far as the Wii only having bad ports and non-innovative games, that is such BS. Just the fact that you can do normal real-life movements to play games on a computer is innovative. Why do you keep denying that on thread after thread?

    And just because they haven't put out some game with gore level so high it looks like your tv is bleeding, you claim that there are no games for the hardcore gamers. Yet, MP3 and Mario Galaxy are the two highest rated games of the year. Even better than Halo 3, which is basically a prettied up Halo. Oh, that's right, making things look prettier is innovation in your book.

    There really is no point in arguing with you, because your argument points are worthless and every time you are proven wrong you change to a different stance.
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    Unfortunately the Wii's AAA titles are very limited. The bulk of the Wii's games are digital manure.

    Many believe that the Wii is going to save the gaming industry by attracting non-gamers to it. I tend to think quite differently. As the Wii sells more and more consoles developers will abandon high production value games in order to produce the half baked party titles the Wii is infested with. On the long run no one will be producing the Final Fantasys, the Halos, the Gears of Wars, the Gran Turismos and even perhaps the Zeldas we, the hardcore gamers enjoy.
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