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    Im not great 9in fact im downright rubbish) with all these figures of processor speeds etc, but i do know graphics arent the idea behind the wii. Wii Sports for example is SUPPOSED to look simple. And although there are people out there (presumably yourself) who cares about these graphics, wii perhaps isnt designed to be their main console; perhaps a secondary console to go next to their xbox360 or ps3. Also i think it unfair to compare the price of the gamecube to the wii. The graphics are probably better than you think compared to the old 'cube, since the wii has wifi etc (and has capabilities to get news, weather, browse internet download games etc), can read info (not sure of 'technical way of saying this) off four wireless remotes at once, sending data back for the speaker etc, has 512mb flash memory, plays games with better graphics, has the ability to play NES, SNES, N64 games (though i dont imagine this is difficult) plus many more. And then it also does everything the gamecube used to do. Also, im not sure exactly what happened with the dreamcast, but i very very much doubt the wii will do the same: There are going to be at least 4 million wiis out there before 2007, and even gamers such as myself are only just managing to get them. The UK online retailer play.com, who are very popular over here sold out of their first batch in a couple of weeks. Magazines everwhere are giving twilight princess and other games great reviews, and it looks as though the great games are to keep on coming. Nintendo are trying to do something differant, so comparing it to the gamecube, xbox360 or indeed any console is- in my opinion at least- the wrong thing to do. And on the prices, i actually think nintendo make a loss on their first load of wiis... thats also why the games are so much- to get the money back in.

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    I have to agree with vagrant, OP's post screams PS3/Xbox360 fanboy.

    Let me condense the OP's post into two sentences:

    Waaah, the Wii costs too much; it's just a better GameCube, it should be cheaper!

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    The Wii has crappy graphics; it doesn't have 1080p resolution and 16x AA + 16x AF + HDR, why doesn't Nintendo make it more high-def!!

    These arguements are futile, the Wii has tons of advantages over the Gamecube. First off, let's just say, for theory sake, that its just a slightly better GameCube processing wise. Let's list off what's added to Wii that's not in GCN:
    WiFi, completely free.
    512MB of memory so you don't need to shell out $$ for mem cards
    Virtual Console, Web Browser, and all the other online capable things that GCN never had.
    SD card reader for even more space if needed
    Free game packed right in

    That list doesn't even touch on the controller scheme and it's brilliance.

    I suggest the OP step back and take a reality check on how stupid it would be to implement a Wii-mote addon to the GCN. This line of thinking has been crossed before, but it's still stupid as ever. A Wii-mote addon wouldn't be able to provide full sized DVDs for more space for content, it wouldn't be able to provide all the online features, and beyond that, it wouldn't be able to provide the extra processing power needed to run the games how they look now.

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    Nintendo wii games cost the same as playstation 2, gamecube, and xbox/360 games did when they first came out, and are 10 dollars cheaper than like all ps3 games. So that doesn't really make sense. If I want to play games just for good graphics, I'll spend 500$ on a barebone system with a tight graphics card and play on the pc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby64
    I have to agree with vagrant, OP's post screams PS3/Xbox360 fanboy.
    Not trying to flame or anything here but how can a person be a FANboy of TWO different systems? Isn't a fan someone that has passion for and loves ONE team? It seems this word fanboy is being thrown around like a hooker in Las Vegas on the internet. And quite frankly it annoys me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vagrant
    Weak post.

    Seeing as how you used fakefanboy terminology like "horsepower," makes it pretty evident that your argument is based off of something you read. Probably some lame gaming sites review, or off a playstation forum.

    Nintendo wii will sell shitloads. And everyone will shutup about the wii once they realized how hard it dominated.
    No need for that. I agree with you with the second paragraph, however you should respect other peoples views. I personally feel he constructively critised the wii which i more than welcome. he could have easily just said "the wii is shit, wont sell because it has crap games which look like n64 graphics." but he didnt..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vagrant
    Weak post.
    Obviously you meant to say, "My weak post is as follows:

    Quote Originally Posted by vagrant
    Seeing as how you used fakefanboy terminology like "horsepower," makes it pretty evident that your argument is based off of something you read. Probably some lame gaming sites review, or off a playstation forum.

    Nintendo wii will sell shitloads. And everyone will shutup about the wii once they realized how hard it dominated.
    I can certainly talk in terms of clock cycles per second, bits per second, bus speeds, bits processed per cpu cycle, multi-threading, merits of L2-cache on and off die if you prefer, but most quasi-intelligent people are comfortable with seeing the word "Horsepower" used metaphorically about such specific data. Clearly you aren't (intelligent or comfortable with metaphors) so I'd be happy to discuss the actual processor data sheet.

    http://www-306.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/2F33B5691BBB8769872571D10065F7D5/$file/ppc750cl_ds_dd20_5oct06.pdf

    That's the link to the new power pc chip. Here's a free pass for you to put one or both feet in your mouth before you respond: I work in the semiconductor industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chessaholic
    ...And on the prices, i actually think nintendo make a loss on their first load of wiis... thats also why the games are so much- to get the money back in.
    To add to this, I think it has become common practice for all console manufacturers to take a hit on the console and make it up on software sales.

    As far as comparing the Wii to the X360 and PS3, its like comparing apples to oranges (in more ways than one, not just a specs race). The three systems were designed for different reasons and for different types of games. Does the Wii compare to the PS3 and X360 in terms of pure computing power? The answer to that is clearly no. However, I think the Wii will wind up being exactly what Nintendo was trying to create. In all honesty, I could care less about graphics and computing power. Give me a good game that will take me a while to beat, be changelling but not so much so that I lose interest, and a responsive control system and I'll be happy regardless of the machine it runs on.
    #1 on the list for a Wii

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    Just a couple things here, kenn.

    I didn't mean to say that you shouldn't expect the CPU to scale linearly - I really mean that the GPU is on a revised architecture and that it should scale a little better than linearly. Also, I'm not so sure it's fair to compare an early P4 to a PowerPC processor in terms of scaling. The early P4's didn't scale well at all...

    And... I don't consider sports-gamers to be hardcore, so i suppose we just have conflicting criteria there....

    You brought up the price of the controller, but let me remind you that the wireless controllers for the 360 still retail at $50 a pop. Considering the hardware you're talking about, N doesn't have a bade pricing scheme. The problem comes in when you compare it relative to the system itself and you think 'damn, I could have almost bought a second Wii for the 3 controller setups!' But that's just the economics of it.

    chessaholic, Nintendo is making a profit on every Wii sold - check out the Iwata Asks interviews. Nintendo is different from Sony and MS - they only make video games. As such, they have to turn a profit on the stuff they sell.

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    i don't think the wii will 'flop' and the japanese developers don't think so either.. check this (from Gamespot) out :

    The magazine conducted a survey with 58 developers at 19 Japanese game companies. Included in the mix were directors, programmers and designers -- the people who are making the games, rather than the people making the business decisions.

    First up, a question on how much the developers expect out of the next generation systems. For the PS3, 48% said that they have extremely high expectations for the system, with 32% having just high expectations. 18% said that they don't expect much of the system at all.

    The Xbox 360 got a poorer rating, with 45% saying they're not expecting much of it at all, 40% having high expectations and 13% having extremely high expectations.

    And then, we come to the Wii, which seems to have the favor of the entire Japanese development community. 36% have high expectations for the system, with 63% claiming extremely high expectations. Only 1% of responders said that they weren't expecting all that much from Nintendo's new system.

    Moving on to games, of the PS3's lineup, most developers were excited by Metal Gear Solid 4 (12 votes). This was followed by Final Fantasy XIII (10 votes), The Eye of Judgment (7 votes), Afrika (6 votes) and Heavenly Sword (4 votes). Other games mentioned include Bladestorm, Gran Turismo HD, Lair and Resistance.

    Not surprisingly, Blue Dragon took the top spot for Xbox 360, with 18 votes. This was followed by Lost Odyssey (14 votes), Culdecept Saga (8 votes), Dead Rising (4 votes) and Gundam Operation Troy (4 votes). Other games mentioned include Lost Planet, Gear of War, Riot Act and Idol Master.

    For Wii, Zelda was the overwhelming winner, with 26 votes, followed by Super Mario Galaxy (8 votes), Wii Sports (5 votes), Animal Crossing (3 votes) and Smash Brothers X (3 votes). Other games mentioned include Wario Ware, Fire Emblem, Sonic and Elebits.

    The survey takers were also asked to name their favorite parts of each system. Visual power took the top spot on PS3 with 19 votes, followed by overall hardware specs (10 votes), Cell's computation abilities (9 votes), the built-in hard disk (3 votes) and the use of Blu-Ray (3 votes). Some developers also mentioned PSP connectivity, online functionality, the 6-axis control system and even the brand power associated with PlayStation and Blu-Ray.

    For Xbox 360, Xbox Live was mentioned the most, getting 18 votes. This was followed by the system's ease of development (13 votes), connectivity with Windows Vista (12 votes), visual power (6 votes) and overall hardware balance (4 votes). Developers also mentioned the system's demo download service, ranking system and strength of sales in the North American market.

    Nintendo's unique controller was mentioned most for the Wii, taking 34 votes. It was followed by Wii Connect 24 (9 votes), the Virtual Console (6 votes), ease of development (4 votes) and the console price (3 votes). Other developers mentioned the hardware size, the concept of moving your body, and the focus on light users.

    Finally, Famitsu put all three systems against one another. In the category of system sales, 60% of those surveyed expect Wii to come out on top. PS3 took 37% of the vote compared to Xbox 360's 3%. The PS3's price point was cited as reason for the low expectations.

    Most developers want to try out Wii development. 63% selected Wii as the system they most want to develop for, compared to the PS3's 32% and the Xbox 360's 5%.

    Wii also won out in the category of which system the developers want the most, personally. 49% selected the Nintendo hardware. PS3 was chosen by 42%, with Xbox 360 coming in last at 9%.

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    He didn't say it would flop - he said he's disappointed....

    Nice link, Kenn - but, come on - 4 IPC? 10W Power Consumption @ 1.0GHz? Those are impressive specs!
    Last edited by Inspire; 11-16-2006 at 12:15 PM.

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