Though I had already considered myself done posting in this thread, I felt compelled to respond to the irony in this post. You are basically saying that graphics are great up to a point but after that, they are essentially gratuitous. The gameplay over graphics debate is as tired as the console wars themselves and offering cognitive film theory/HD vs. film as a metaphor to reintroduce or provide supporting argument for that long fought battle is hardly new ground. I fought the same battle of graphics over gameplay while enjoying my Saturn and my Dreamcast as I played PD Zwei, Virtua Fighter, and other Sega greats.Originally Posted by JeremyDay
JeremyDay -- What I have written is a synthesis of what I have experienced through hands-on gameplay, my experiences with quite a number of consoles, many years of videogaming systems back to the original NES and Sega consoles. (I also did the Atari thing -- i.e. 2600, 5200, etc., but didn't feel those were relevant to console war discussions). There are only so many ways one can discuss a video game console regardless of the writing being pulitzer prize-winning prose or 5th grade English. Your "vomiting" comment is just a tad harsh don't you think?
I'll add a few bullet points to sum it up and I'll leave it to everyone else to finish out this thread because I'm truly done trying to take words out of my mouth that keep getting put in by others.
-I never said I wanted HD out of the Wii. That was inserted into the debate to dramatize by a number of posters. I don't currently want or have an HD set. Keep in mind that HD is generally a discussion of Horizontal resolution and scanning method. I was speaking purely in terms of texturing and polygons -- a completely different topic.
-I didn't even begin to imply that the Wii should be capable of producing the same graphics as the 360 or PS3. My point was that Nintendo should have gone a bit higher tech in the hardware department and gotten closer to the PS3/360. Go back and re-read my post and you'll see that I said 1/2 or 2/3 of the power would have been great.
-I have repeatedly stated that I am really happy with the new controller, and much of the game library that Nintendo offers for families and kids. I would absolutely love to have a Wii and will still probably buy one -- just not at launch as I want to see how it plays out a bit. I'm concerned about some of the initial reports of controller issues with high-intensity games such as Call of Duty... As far as current gameplay, I'm quite happy with the titles on the Cube and will stay on it for a while as there are still yet half a dozen titles that I want to pick up and play.
-Did any of you actually read my follow-up post where I listed all of my current/past machines and that I have no desire whatsoever to own a 360 or PS3? Clearly not based on the barrage of posts calling me a fanboy... Further, in one of those same threads, I stated clearly that I ALSO believe in gameplay being MORE important than graphics. BUT, graphics are still very, very important in the equation. Hitting me over the head repeatedly with that argument is oh so tiresome and really pointless as I've said the same. My angle is that yes, gameplay is more important that graphics, but graphics add to the immersion and I'd prefer both -- or at least a *significant* graphical improvement -- to go with solid gameplay if given the chance.
So, as my last post in this thread, I'll sum my opinion up yet again and leave it at that.
The Wii's new control mechanism is very cool indeed. It shows some great promise for the future of gaming. There are some great titles now and upcoming releases on the Wii that show promise in using the technology and creating an exciting gameplay environment for the user. However, I think Nintendo left too much on the the table graphically while having hit it out of the park everywhere else on the console.
The graphics (or lack thereof), will continue to be a sticking point for a lot of gamers and will, to *some* degree, turn away both hardcore gamers and some developers. This will be more obvious (and detrimental) to the system over time and I believe will leave the Wii ending up in roughly the same position the GC is in today -- that is a distant 3rd place with a whole lot of great family/kids games and a handful or so great T/M rated games. PS3 and 360 will be exactly the opposite, just as they are today.
Last, but not least, I still believe the unit is priced too high for the level of hardware or the hardware is not powerful enough to justify the price point -- either way. This whole issue isn't so much as a fair profit margin or price but that the PS3, according to a study commissioned by businessweek, is losing well over $200-300 PER CONSOLE. This greatly exaggerates the price/performance delta and really throws a wrench in a meaningful price discussion. Suffice it to say that I believe Nintendo should have looked at a small loss (which I belive they have done on past consoles) on the early launch of the console to push the graphical power up a notch. I really wanted the Wii to be a grand-slam homerun and maybe it will be. I believe that if they had pushed the graphics envelope a bit more, they unquestionably would have one. Instead, as I've said before, it's more like an in-field double, 2 RBI. Still a great play, but just short...
Only time will tell on the success of the Wii. Buy it or don't, it matters not to me. I'll be watching from the sidelines for a while and will get to see the Wii played out and watching fact sorted out from opinion.
P.S. Someone offer a constructive opinion on what happens if Sony and/or Microsoft decide that the new controllers on the Wii are a threat and one or both develop an excellent 3D wireless controller? What if they pack it with a highly sought after 1st person shooter -- say Halo 3 next year? That would most certainly alter the discussion here rather significantly. If you think these thoughts aren't already running through heads at MS and Sony, think again. The sixaxis was a lame attempt to steal some of Nintendo's glory. If Sony really sees the Wii control scheme take off, they'll come back with a second 3D offering -- you can bank on it.