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    Rukus is partly right. I hope all of you realize HD DVD was outselling Blue Ray, and they cancelled it in record time. They will have no reservations on cancelling another successful format. It's called a monopoly, and don't be surprised if DVD disappears this year. Will it happen this year? I don't know. Welcome to the era where the consumer gets less choice than ever. You know they clone meat now, import apples from China, and most food today is becoming severly dangerous to even eat. Enjoy.

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    DVD will not be disappearing this year. There's nothing to worry about being "surprised" about. Regardless of whether HD-DVD was outselling Blu-Ray or vice-versa, they are a drop in the bucket compared to current DVD sales and rentals. It's going to take a lot longer than a year for that to shift significantly. This technology is still sufficiently complex, still sufficiently expensive, and most consumers are not as easily-sold on the benefits of HD>SD as they were for DVD>VHS. Most are perfectly happy with their current 4:3 set, and even if they have an HDTV it was only because they wanted something big and flat, not because they were going high-def now or anytime soon.

    You'd be surprised at how many people think that all they need to get "high-def" is to get an HDTV. When it doesn't make their DirecTV and DVDs look 10X better, they decide the whole HD thing is BS and that's what they tell all their friends and family who are on the fence and waiting for their rich early-adopter friends to make the jump first and relate their experiences. I've got one family I've been trying to explain it to for months now and I still don't think they get it.

    What people on these boards don't realize is not everyone is as technically-adept (or even give a flying fsck) like they do. As much as high-def might get them all hot and bothered and needing to change their underwear, the majority of consumers are stupid, and have better things to do than blow thousands of dollars on replacing all their AV equipment and video collection just because the Best Buy commercial tells them to.

    Blu-Ray is still in its infancy, and they're still dicking with the spec, making many current players obsolete. The dust needs to settle more and Blu-Ray needs to get its act together before it'll really take-off, and that includes having Blu-Ray editions of movies not look worse than the SD DVD versions (that's right, you heard me. Bram Stoker's Dracula is one example). The VHS->DVD transition is still fresh in many consumers' memories and the bar has been raised very high now for that the tipping point will be to get them to adopt and transition yet again. Most consumers still just don't care about high-def. If they did, there wouldn't be so many TV ads. There weren't this many when DVD came out... it sold itself.

    And this is coming from an AV nut who is working on his own high-def projection 7.1 home-theater system. I'm just under no illusions about reality and am not letting my own interests skew my perception on how the world works. The fanboys need a reality-check.
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    The bigger problem will be ON-Demand service and downloads. Standard DVD sales have been slipping for years as download fetures such as DVR's "Tivo"and On-Demand download service has come out.

    I personally haven't paid for but a handful of DVD's over the past couple of years, most to finnish a collection, but have a few hundred downloaded that I paid a fraction of the price for on my DVR.

    Blu-Ray is doing the best outta the HDDVD formats, but the total of Blu-ray/HD-DVD disk sold is still less then the total sales of "Titanic" on DVD just to give you an idea. So they are winning a loosing fight.

    Physicall media is changing you see it even in our video game consoles where more and more content is download content instead of physical media. I think this is becoming more and more popular not only for the ease of use for the customer, but because for the first time in a long time the "entertainmet buisness" has a way to protect itself from piracy in this fashion.

    Even in the future as "DVR" and video game consoles have some type of physical media "port" to transfer your content to another device "take a game or movie to a friends house". For instance if you could take a VC game over to another Wii via SD slot.
    They have figure out a way to hardcode the purchase information onto our devices, and unless the common customer wants to pay for heavy modding that could in tern destroy there own device, this will cut down on Piracy dramatically, and is being heavily supported by the entertainment industry.

    Many experts and analyst have determind that by 2015 75% of the entertainment we buy will be downloaded instead of purchased in a store. So far this trend seems to be right based on media sales and how popular "on-demand" is getting on almost every level of our lives.

    Our future entertainment devices will consist of nothing more than huge HardDrives for downloads and memory card slots for transfer. DVD's and even HDDVD are becoming an outdated technology that is quickly fadding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wezeles
    The bigger problem will be ON-Demand service and downloads. Standard DVD sales have been slipping for years as download fetures such as DVR's and On'Demand download service has come out...
    The problem there is that the on-demand stuff is highly-compressed and isn't surround-sound. I didn't invest in a nice surround-sound home-theater audio system only to switch to watching movies in a format that can't take advantage of it. Plus the video looks like crap, there are so many compression artifacts on the on-demand and even normal movie channels that I can't bear to watch them on my big TV, and it's only getting worse as they crank up the lossy compression just so they can cram in more channels I don't care about. Plus most movie channels aren't widescreen, which was one of the first reasons I stopped paying for HBO, Cinemax, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sremick
    The problem there is that the on-demand stuff is highly-compressed and isn't surround-sound. I didn't invest in a nice surround-sound home-theater audio system only to switch to watching movies in a format that can't take advantage of it. Plus the video looks like crap, there are so many compression artifacts on the on-demand and even normal movie channels that I can't bear to watch them on my big TV, and it's only getting worse as they crank up the lossy compression just so they can cram in more channels I don't care about. Plus most movie channels aren't widescreen, which was one of the first reasons I stopped paying for HBO, Cinemax, etc.
    A good majority of my downloads are 720/1080 HD content with surround sound, you just have to know what to buy and where to look, its not a huge indusrty yet but its growing faster than HDDVD.

    Everyone seems to be dabbling in there own way of doing it untill they figure it out it's just gonna be slowing rolling out. Even though its not a huge market yet the sales for on-demand downloaded movies is more than both formats of HDDVD movies, and getting larger.

    They really need to make an industry standard before it blows up as a popular consumer format like VCR/DVD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wezeles
    A good majority of my downloads are 720/1080 HD content with surround sound, you just have to know what to buy and where to look, its not a huge indusrty yet but its growing faster than HDDVD.
    Are you talking about downloading from the internet, or via a cable/satellite set-top box type of service? If from the internet, are we talking above-board or, shall we say, gray-market sources?

    AppleTV seems to be getting a lot of aspects right, but it's expensive. They're offering 5.1 surround now, but their high-def is only 720p.
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    My cable service offers HD on-demand service, although its not great selection yet its pretty decent library. All in atleast 720p and 5.1

    Aswell as LEGAL sites such as www.Cinemanow.com downloaded into Windows Media Center and transfered to my television. They are all 720p 5.1 for the HD movie selection, aswell as standard DVD quality for everything else.

    Also look at the 360 it has on-demand video downloads in HD/SD movies.

    At first this on-demand service was an outlet to push a cheeper version for the same price or more for the convience. Like with on-demand rental movies, Now that they have seen the bigger bucks are with the "videophiles" who want great quality, they are starting to improve the services and more companys are jumping on the bandwagon of Great content at a better price then physical media.

    And at the end of the day if people really wanted too they can easily burn this content onto a DVD at there own cost, a cost the publisher doesn't have to pay for this format. No overhead "dvd buring facility,packaging" means less initial investment and more overall profit for the company.
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