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    Online would be nice theres not much reason to not put it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mym6
    But I'm not impotent.
    I didn't say you were, but name calling is the last ditch effort of the desperate--those who can't win on the merits, and so they feel like they need to resort to calling people asses. Doing so makes you look impotent. My recommendation that you avoid appearing so was friendly advice. Your calling me an ass wasn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by mym6
    At first you made it sound like the main game should have human players. This doesn't make sense.
    My very first description prefaced everything with: "It would be a separate mode, not the 1st person mode." My basic point was that there is no such thing as a game with only one character--if a game can include AI and not be ruined, it can Just as easily include human players.

    Quote Originally Posted by mym6
    Now you're talking about a second mode to the game, similar to hunters. While I still don't think Metroid fits as a multiplayer game, I guess that's my opinion.

    What gets me riled up is that people throw such a fit and claim that they'll be so upset and they won't buy the game if it isn't multiplayer and what I'm trying to argue is that multiplayer isn't what makes or made Metroid great. It's first and foremost a single player game and distracts from what Metroid really is. But you don't here me or anyone on my side of the camp getting ready to boycott the Metroid series and Nintendo if they do include a multiplayer element.
    It's not about boycotting. People have basic expectations of their games, and they should get the games that meet their gaming needs. If someone doesn't want to play through a 1 player world one time and then have no further use of the game, they look for titles with multiplayer. People are still playing the original Halo (which I agree is over-rated) ONLY because it includes a robust multiplayer function--the games' life was extended beyond imagination. Without multiplayer it would have been barely noticed. People who want that type of experience should only buy games that have it. Those people aren't demanding that you can't have your single player experience--but you were demanding that they not have their multiplayer experience, even though despite your claims, it need not detract from the single player mode.

    You're right though, the Metroid franchise has proved its worth without multiplayer. Part of the evidence of this is how many non-Metroid fans would love to buy it if it came with a good multiplayer mode. The franchise had a chance to expand its user base (And its sales) dramatically.

    What riles me up is that people are so resistant to change, they can't imagine change ever being a good thing. You've yet to say anything about multiplayer that people didn't once say about the 3D first person perspective when it was new. There are impossible things in the world, but creating innovative multiplayer modes that meet the standards of MP universe is not one of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by mym6
    But you don't here me or anyone on my side of the camp getting ready to boycott the Metroid series and Nintendo if they do include a multiplayer element.
    How generous of you. Out of my own sense of generosity, I'm going to highlight a flaw in your logic.

    You said: People not buying a game that doesn't meet their needs is as bad as Me not buying a game because it does meet their needs.

    Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiinter
    I didn't say you were, but name calling is the last ditch effort of the desperate--those who can't win on the merits, and so they feel like they need to resort to calling people asses. Doing so makes you look impotent. My recommendation that you avoid appearing so was friendly advice. Your calling me an ass wasn't.



    My very first description prefaced everything with: "It would be a separate mode, not the 1st person mode." My basic point was that there is no such thing as a game with only one character--if a game can include AI and not be ruined, it can Just as easily include human players.



    It's not about boycotting. People have basic expectations of their games, and they should get the games that meet their gaming needs. If someone doesn't want to play through a 1 player world one time and then have no further use of the game, they look for titles with multiplayer. People are still playing the original Halo (which I agree is over-rated) ONLY because it includes a robust multiplayer function--the games' life was extended beyond imagination. Without multiplayer it would have been barely noticed. People who want that type of experience should only buy games that have it. Those people aren't demanding that you can't have your single player experience--but you were demanding that they not have their multiplayer experience, even though despite your claims, it need not detract from the single player mode.

    You're right though, the Metroid franchise has proved its worth without multiplayer. Part of the evidence of this is how many non-Metroid fans would love to buy it if it came with a good multiplayer mode. The franchise had a chance to expand its user base (And its sales) dramatically.

    What riles me up is that people are so resistant to change, they can't imagine change ever being a good thing. You've yet to say anything about multiplayer that people didn't once say about the 3D first person perspective when it was new. There are impossible things in the world, but creating innovative multiplayer modes that meet the standards of MP universe is not one of them.



    How generous of you. Out of my own sense of generosity, I'm going to highlight a flaw in your logic.

    You said: People not buying a game that doesn't meet their needs is as bad as Me not buying a game because it does meet their needs.

    Huh?
    I can assure you I have no trouble with my member. I'm not impotent. Maybe you're thinking of incompetent.

    I've never played Halo myself but from what I read/hear it is popular only because it is multiplayer. This tells me that the developers didn't give a rip about the single player mode, they were aiming for a great multiplayer mode.

    If Retro concentrated on a better multiplayer mode over single player mode, I'd be dissappointed. To *expect* Metroid to have a multiplayer mode is to forget what Metroid is. Hence my "logic" which really wasn't any sort of logic, but a statement based on what I've read. Read the boards. There is thread after thread with people all up in arms about the possibility of Metroid not having an online multiplayer component.

    I was out of console gaming, well, any gaming for that matter all while Metroid made its transition to 3D so I don't know what people were saying about it. My entire argument surrounds the single player element of the game. It doesn't need to be multiplayer. If there is a multiplayer tack on then so be it. I have already said that that is my opinion. If you're arguing that the multiplayer is solely a secondary mode or separate feature, then fine.

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    yea i thik its onlaine

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    Quote Originally Posted by mym6
    I can assure you I have no trouble with my member. I'm not impotent.
    m-w.com 1 a : not potent : lacking in power, strength, or vigor

    Some words have more than one meaning. To wit, no one called you impotent. Resorting to name calling rather than argument does make one LOOK impotent. Can you tell the difference between that and "you are being an ass"? It's not insignificant. One is name-calling, the other is friendly advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by mym6
    I've never played Halo myself but from what I read/hear it is popular only because it is multiplayer. This tells me that the developers didn't give a rip about the single player mode, they were aiming for a great multiplayer mode.
    The decision to focus on one to the exclusion of the other is not a necessity, it's a choice. Retro could have both if they chose to.

    Quote Originally Posted by mym6
    Read the boards. There is thread after thread with people all up in arms about the possibility of Metroid not having an online multiplayer component.
    Ah, progress. We've gone from 'online will ruin Metroid' to 'people shouldn't expect online from Metroid'. Well, again, the Metroid Prime subseries has had more multiplayer than not. I didn't start out to defend any whiners, just to contradict your over-the-top anti-multiplayer rant, but their expectations aren't completely unreasonable. MP3C is supposed to be AAA title. People should have AAA expectations. If Nintendo didn't want to deal with those expectations, they shouldn't incited them.

    Quote Originally Posted by mym6
    I was out of console gaming, well, any gaming for that matter all while Metroid made its transition to 3D so I don't know what people were saying about it. My entire argument surrounds the single player element of the game. It doesn't need to be multiplayer. If there is a multiplayer tack on then so be it. I have already said that that is my opinion. If you're arguing that the multiplayer is solely a secondary mode or separate feature, then fine.
    I've never heard of anyone wanting to remove the single player campaign.

    What would be great (but won't happen), is they made the game expandable. Wiiconnect24 begs for expandability and patching, though it has yet to be used. As I mentioned before, MP3C + multiplayer is worth more than 50$ to me, and I'd be happy to pay for a good multiplayer mode after the fact. Then everybody wins. You get your single player mode as soon as it's ready to roll, and everyone gets the possibility of multiplayer vs if they chose to throw down another 10 or 20 for the multiplayer expansion.

    Quote Originally Posted by TJSM
    yea i thik its onlaine
    See, now That is incompetence.

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