I was just at Wal-Mart about thirty minutes ago and talked to the dumbass electronics clerk about the Wii launch. Anyway, to make a not so long story shorter, he said that they should have the games in stock, on display, ready to sale on the 14th or 15th. Anyway, I've got a pre-order with Best Buy. I paid extra for next day shipping and it is estimated to arrive at my house on the 17th but I'm taking that a face value and I won't be too surprised if it gets pushed back.....so we'll see what happens. I will tell you that if I go by Wal-Mart next Wednesday and they have a copy of Twilight Princess and my Best Buy pre-order hasn't shipped I'll snatch that 'ho so fast the ink will come off the box, then I'll run home, and cancel the Best Buy order.