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    I would be very pleasantly surprised to see if Nintendo can pull this off.


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    I actually read about this on another website and I found out the reason why they said XBLA is full of shit is because they feel like developers don't have a chance of selling games vs retro games rofl...

    Thats why they like WiiWare because WiiWare titles are not retro games, so that gives them a better chance to sell games. It's understandable but to say XBLA (and PSN store for that matter) full of shit just shows the lack of confidence in your own game vs retro games.
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    But look at Nintendo's own list of classic games! they stay in original form no changes and still sell great.

    For XBLA/PSN you see some cool classic's updated with improved graphics and alot also have online play tacked on. They improve on it so much it's borderline a New game with a retro feel. So which game would you buy?
    The cheep new one based on an old classic you liked?
    Or the cheep New game you never heard of?

    Most Gamers arn't risky with there money and get burned far to often on a "low priced game," so they go with what they trust.
    Of the list of best sellers 250,000 or more for XBLA 90% are remakes of classics, and with how much you have to sell to make a profit I wouldn't blame any dev for ditching this setup.

    It's a better overall move to let the "New guys" come out with the new idea's when it comes to your cheeper downloadable content games. At the least keep them seperate from the classic and retro games in some way.
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    Nintendo should have put this storage space problem to rest months ago. With actual drive space. Compression is a bandaid. They can do so easily with a simple driver update. No need to release hardware, just make usb drives accessible. They can even make some cash on the deal by selling branding rights to sandisk or someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by T3kNi9e
    Thats why they like WiiWare because WiiWare titles are not retro games, so that gives them a better chance to sell games.
    It's a dumb argument on their part. The VC may be separate from WiiWare, but the competition for Wii Points between new and legacy titles is still there. Does XBLA not have sections that divide new and retro?

    Quote Originally Posted by wezeles
    But look at Nintendo's own list of classic games! they stay in original form no changes and still sell great.
    You're saying it's a good thing that we don't get decent updates to retro games? Even basic stuff like enabling the Wiimote IR pointer for Operation Wolf? For that matter, why is there a single game, from SNES, n64 or anything else that you can't use the wiimote and nunchuck with and choose your own button/motion configurations? To make it possible, you wouldn't even need to change the game, just tweak the emulator.

    If Ninty and MS ever reach a deal on Goldeneye, and Nintendo releases the same old game, and MS releases the beefed up version with online multiplayer, which would you rather have? That question is related to the question of why the big N refuses to make a deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wezeles
    But look at Nintendo's own list of classic games! they stay in original form no changes and still sell great.

    For XBLA/PSN you see some cool classic's updated with improved graphics and alot also have online play tacked on. They improve on it so much it's borderline a New game with a retro feel. So which game would you buy?
    The cheep new one based on an old classic you liked?
    Or the cheep New game you never heard of?

    Most Gamers arn't risky with there money and get burned far to often on a "low priced game," so they go with what they trust.
    Of the list of best sellers 250,000 or more for XBLA 90% are remakes of classics, and with how much you have to sell to make a profit I wouldn't blame any dev for ditching this setup.

    It's a better overall move to let the "New guys" come out with the new idea's when it comes to your cheeper downloadable content games. At the least keep them seperate from the classic and retro games in some way.
    There's a reason why I said "It's Understandable" I already know why they find it unfair to compete with retro games.

    Also you act like its a bad thing to upgrade retro game. I rather have an updated retro game than the exact same one. Especially when you can download most retro games on the internet for free.

    Does updated retro games automatically make them inferior to the originals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiinter
    It's a dumb argument on their part. The VC may be separate from WiiWare, but the competition for Wii Points between new and legacy titles is still there. Does XBLA not have sections that divide new and retro?
    No, they don't have sections that divide them. But like you said, WiiWare and VC still compete for the same Wii points so it's the same.
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    I just think Nintendo is busy as hell right now. I haven't seen the N this busy since NES. I read in an old interview that Nintendo was thinking of updating retro games. But with the Wii's massive success I think they bit off more than they could chew. They never forcasted sales this damn high.
    I'm sure Nintendo wants to update its storage compatibility and offer an updated or even a new Super Mario Bros. but they can't. They got too much on their plate.
    In 2007 I predicted Wii Fit would sell more than Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

    EVERYONE at wiichat.com disagreed with me.

    As it stands today:

    Super Smash Bros. Brawl: 9.49 Million

    Wii Fit: 35 Million

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caliko
    I'm sure Nintendo wants to update its storage compatibility and offer an updated or even a new Super Mario Bros. but they can't. They got too much on their plate.
    They've repeatedly claimed they don't want to add a hard drive or any other space expansion. For over a year, they've stubbornly insisted that the best solution is to delete games you're not playing and redownload them later when you want to play again.

    Not that it's difficult. They can farm out driver development to someone else. Release a driver that makes your standard usb drive accessible.

    They're also in a position profit-wise to hire companies to update VC content. It's not as easy to do, but it's doable.

    It's time to stop complaining about making money hand over foot and start investing it in their gamers. We scratched their back. Their turn.

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