anyways, nintendo makes great games, so does sony and microsoft. each system is different and has different games. im not really sure why anyone would want to be labled a hardcore gamer...they arent cool and dont get chicks. when i was in college, hardcore gamers sat in on friday night and played games and i went to my fraternity party, got drunk, and picked up chicks lol. games are fun and nintendo got that right which is why 360/ps3 are trying to copy to them with the motion controls. if you want to play games not on wii, get another system like ps3/360/pc. if you want to play mario kart, brawl, etc, get a wii.