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    Quote Originally Posted by Griever
    Out of this and the 360 I would rather have a PS3 simply because of the games which will come out but I know I can't afford one - simple as.
    A lot of people cant afford on, which is the only reason people dont like it. In what it boils down to is:

    Poor people=bad system

    If the system was cheaper it would be good? If Blu-Ray was cheaper it would be widely accepted? So by peoples logic:

    Cheap systems=great systems

    Isnt that like saying and $3,000 dollar TV compared to a $250 is crap because no one needs HDTV's? Because you cant afford the plasma or LCD tv then its a stupid idea and should have just gone with CRT. You dont even need tv's, the radio works just as good and its cheaper. You dont need stereo, that would just make it cost more. Mono sound is fine. But then why listen to people doing things when you could just go outside and play for free.

    So you see, by logic of "It would be cheaper if" really only means game companies should stop making games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dongo
    A lot of people cant afford on, which is the only reason people dont like it. In what it boils down to is:
    I can't really say for everyone else, but the cost isn't the only factor, at least for me, that I won't be getting one (at least not anytime soon). Another example of why I'm not interested in it, is because there's no games that really excite me.

    Poor people=bad system

    If the system was cheaper it would be good? If Blu-Ray was cheaper it would be widely accepted? So by peoples logic:

    Cheap systems=great systems
    Meh, I just don't like the idea of a single company owning the rights to the main media format. Sony have tried to do it before, and if they succeed, I'm not convinced it will be good for the consumer...

    Isnt that like saying and $3,000 dollar TV compared to a $250 is crap because no one needs HDTV's? Because you cant afford the plasma or LCD tv then its a stupid idea and should have just gone with CRT. You dont even need tv's, the radio works just as good and its cheaper. You dont need stereo, that would just make it cost more. Mono sound is fine. But then why listen to people doing things when you could just go outside and play for free.
    Well, no. For a start, you're providing a dilemma for an unproven theory - that cost is the only factor that stops people from buying a PS3. Secondly, it's not that cheap systems=great systems. It's that cheap systems=accessible=popular=nothing to do with how good a system is. However I do feel that the Wii is a good system, but that's because of other reasons - like the Wiimote. Heck, even the internet is relatively fun to surf on - I get to do it on my settee (sofa or couch)! Mii's are also another factor.

    So you see, by logic of "It would be cheaper if" really only means game companies should stop making games.
    Or, it could mean that we feel as though technology is progressing soo much in one direction, that they could be looking sideways, rather than straight up. How many generations would it be, before games become photorealistic? And where would we go from there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Squall7
    Meh, I just don't like the idea of a single company owning the rights to the main media format. Sony have tried to do it before, and if they succeed, I'm not convinced it will be good for the consumer...
    Sony started the DVD.

    Heck, even the internet is relatively fun to surf on - I get to do it on my settee (sofa or couch)!
    Agreed

    Or, it could mean that we feel as though technology is progressing soo much in one direction, that they could be looking sideways, rather than straight up. How many generations would it be, before games become photorealistic? And where would we go from there?
    That all depends. It could take a short time before we reach that period in time but it could also take a long time. If we keep looking at what we need and dont need, nothing will progress. If we adapt new things, as useless as they seem, it will help the push in that direction.

    We need the blu-ray. It has already been stated without it, many games exclusive to ps3 wouldnt have been made, not the same at least. Without PS3 AND blu-ray, would it have really been a true next gen console.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dongo
    Sony started the DVD.
    I know wikipedia isn't all that reputable, but it does have an entry:
    In the early 1990s two high-density optical storage standards were being developed; one was the MultiMedia Compact Disc, backed by Philips and Sony, and the other was the Super Density disc, supported by Toshiba, Time-Warner, Matsushita Electric, Hitachi, Mitsubishi Electric, Pioneer, Thomson, and JVC. IBM's president, Lou Gerstner, acting as a matchmaker, led an effort to unite the two camps behind a single standard, anticipating a repeat of the costly videotape format war between VHS and Betamax in the 1980s.

    Philips and Sony abandoned their MultiMedia Compact Disc and fully agreed upon Toshiba's SuperDensity Disc with only one modification, namely EFMPlus. EFMPlus was chosen as it has a great resilience against disc damage such as scratches and fingerprints. EFMPlus, created by Kees Immink, who also designed EFM, is 6% less efficient than the Toshiba code, which resulted in a capacity of 4.7 GB as opposed to the original 5 GB. The result was the DVD specification, finalized for the DVD movie player and DVD-ROM computer applications in December of 1995.[1] In May 1997, the DVD Consortium was replaced by the DVD Forum, which is open to all other companies.
    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD

    That all depends. It could take a short time before we reach that period in time but it could also take a long time. If we keep looking at what we need and dont need, nothing will progress. If we adapt new things, as useless as they seem, it will help the push in that direction.
    True. By the same token, who is to say we should go in this direction or that direction. I mean, in the end, we don't NEED games, but they still are progressing. I feel that the route before the Wii was working up to a form of hyper-realism - photorealistic graphics with the added special effects. Of course, this would only compliment a niche market, that is potentially smaller than the one we have at the moment. In effect, realism promotes reality (or hyper reality at least). With the push for realistic graphics, and realistic effects, we leave behind the cartoon style art form, instead focusing on computer generated realistic sprites (much like the Final Fantasy films).

    We need the blu-ray. It has already been stated without it, many games exclusive to ps3 wouldnt have been made, not the same at least. Without PS3 AND blu-ray, would it have really been a true next gen console.
    It has been stated before that the only thing blu-ray supplies us with is a shitload of memory. Blu Ray is really only (literally) needed when we don't want to swap to second disks and when we cannot compress information further. Of course, more required memory requires a bigger crew, bigger development costs, longer development time etc...

    Surely, counting on the raw processing power of the PS3, a lack of blu-ray drive, would have meant that games are loaded and rendered in an amazingly short amount of time. I mean, is it really Blu ray that makes it next gen, or is it it's graphics power? Is it the controller? Is it the features? Or is it a combination of these?


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    Blu-ray

    Blu-ray is a new optical disc standard based on the use of a blue laser rather than the red laser of DVD players. The standard was developed collaboratively by Hitachi, LG, Matsushita (Panasonic), Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, and Thomson. Toshiba and NEC are among the companies promoting a competitive optical format, HD-DVD.

    The blue laser has a 405 nanometer (nm) wavelength that can focus more tightly than the red lasers used for writable DVD. As a consequence, a Blu-ray disc can store much more data in the same 12 centimeter space. Like the rewritable DVD formats, Blu-ray uses phase change technology to enable repeated writing to the disc.

    Blu-ray's storage capacity is enough to store a continuous backup copy of most people's hard drives on a single disc. The first products have a 27 gigabyte (GB) single-sided capacity, 50 GB on dual-layer discs. Data streams at 36 megabytes per second (Mbps), fast enough for high quality video recording. Single-sided Blu-ray discs can store up to 13 hours of standard video data, compared to single-sided DVD's 133 minutes. People are referring to Blu-ray as the next generation DVD, although according to Chris Buma, a spokesman from Philips (quoted in New Scientist) "Except for the size of the disc, everything is different."

    Blu-ray discs will not play on current CD and DVD players, because they lack the blue-violet laser required to read them. If the appropriate lasers are included, however, Blu-ray players can play the other two formats.

    Blu-ray disc players (BDPs) are available from a number of manufacturers, including Panasonic, Pioneer, Samsung and Sony. Sony's Playstation 3 also has a Blu-ray drive installed.
    What will Blu-ray products cost?


    As with any new technology the first generation of products will likely be quite expensive due to low production volumes. However, this shouldn't be a problem for long as there is a wide range of Blu-ray related products (players, recorders, drives, writers, media, etc) planned, which should help drive up production volumes and lower overall production costs. Once mass production of components for Blu-ray products begins the prices are expected to fall quickly.

    According to the Blu-ray Disc Association, the overall cost of manufacturing Blu-ray Disc media will in the end be no more expensive than producing a DVD. The reduced injection molding costs (one molding machine instead of two, no birefringence problems) offset the additional cost of applying the cover layer and low cost hard-coat, while the techniques used for applying the recording layer remain the same. As production volumes increase the production costs should fall and eventually be comparable to DVDs.

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    I say the combination. When i play the Wii, it doesnt feel next gen. Like they could have made a motion sensing controller for the GC and made more games for that. But with the Wiimote relying so heavily on motion control, games wont vary much.

    In the same sense the Xbox 360 doesnt feel next gen due to its lack of power and storage medium. Plus 3 of the same system is a little overboard.

    The PS3 to me feels like a next gen console, graphicly it is. Blu-ray gets rid of the need to change discs, which the 360 will most likely be doing soon and would take away any feel of next gen it had left. I think the controller is perfect, in every way. Sony made it right the first time, then perfect when they added anolog sticks. Its a balance between motion and buttons, as it doesnt heavily rely on one or the other but allowing best of both.

    Thats why i think the PS3 is next gen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dongo
    I say the combination. When i play the Wii, it doesnt feel next gen. Like they could have made a motion sensing controller for the GC and made more games for that. But with the Wiimote relying so heavily on motion control, games wont vary much.

    In the same sense the Xbox 360 doesnt feel next gen due to its lack of power and storage medium. Plus 3 of the same system is a little overboard.

    The PS3 to me feels like a next gen console, graphicly it is. Blu-ray gets rid of the need to change discs, which the 360 will most likely be doing soon and would take away any feel of next gen it had left. I think the controller is perfect, in every way. Sony made it right the first time, then perfect when they added anolog sticks. Its a balance between motion and buttons, as it doesnt heavily rely on one or the other but allowing best of both.

    Thats why i think the PS3 is next gen.
    Especially next gen when you consider the psp, which is by far the most amazing hand held system i have ever owned. Sadly, most do not even know what the hand held is capable of. I use it on a daily basis, mostly I switch between reading ebooks, streaming data between my pc and the psp and playing every single game i have loved since my nes-ps1 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiftfallout
    Especially next gen when you consider the psp, which is by far the most amazing hand held system i have ever owned. Sadly, most do not even know what the hand held is capable of. I use it on a daily basis, mostly I switch between reading ebooks, streaming data between my pc and the psp and playing every single game i have loved since my nes-ps1 days.
    Hell yea. I cant wait for racing games so i can put my psp's next to the tv or on the side so i can use them as rear view mirrors! PSP's, i got three XD Thats something i find great, being able to use the handheld with the system. I wish nintendo would incorporate something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dongo
    I say the combination. When i play the Wii, it doesnt feel next gen. Like they could have made a motion sensing controller for the GC and made more games for that. But with the Wiimote relying so heavily on motion control, games wont vary much.

    In the same sense the Xbox 360 doesnt feel next gen due to its lack of power and storage medium. Plus 3 of the same system is a little overboard.

    The PS3 to me feels like a next gen console, graphicly it is. Blu-ray gets rid of the need to change discs, which the 360 will most likely be doing soon and would take away any feel of next gen it had left. I think the controller is perfect, in every way. Sony made it right the first time, then perfect when they added anolog sticks. Its a balance between motion and buttons, as it doesnt heavily rely on one or the other but allowing best of both.

    Thats why i think the PS3 is next gen.
    lack of power/storage medium?
    right now its producing better looking games than the ps3
    and theres a SKU with a 120gb..which is double PS3s..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sovieto
    lack of power/storage medium?
    right now its producing better looking games than the ps3
    and theres a SKU with a 120gb..which is double PS3s..
    Good graphics do not fully equal next gen though. The 360 has the best gpu in my opinion of all the consoles, but lacks the processing power. So the ps3, with slightly worse graphics can have more going on at any one time than the 360. This could mean more graphics though not necessarily better.

    I have to say though, Motor Storm is a pretty damn good looking game.

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