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    Quote Originally Posted by viperjason
    People always seem to point at graphics and power. Why should I care about that? VHS was just fine, its the studios who wanted more money that decided that it sucked and produced DVD only movies. Same is going on with HD-DVD and Blu-ray DVD. The studios are deciding the way we should buy. The consumer just wants good entertainment....no matter how it comes.

    As far as PS3 vs Wii.....I really don't care about the graphics power. The thing that sold me on the Wii was the innovative controller. I dont care if people come over, as long as Game Developers continue to produce games that are fun then they will sell well.

    Spectacular graphics will never, and I do mean never, win against pure fun. Fun will always win, and if Sony makes fun games, then they will win. If Nintendo makes fun games, then they will win. Whoever makes the most fun game will win, no contest.

    And BTW, I cant wait for Mario Party 8 and Super Paper Mario.

    People dont merely focus on power and graphic, rather it is used as a means to measure a systems potential and limits. This is important for innovative system progression and the evolution of gaming in general. Sometimes showing off never before seen graphical capabilities is fun. Insert immersion. Imagine a system that can only have 1 mario on the screen in 8bit graphics. Yeah its fun, but the sheer enjoyment of also being able to play a game that has 400 marios running around on the screen in real time with 128 bit graphics and AA x 4 is sheer eye candy. Rather, orgasmic. Better graphics and power are responsible for the invent of 3d games. Mario 64 wouldnt be made if not for better power and graphics.

    You are right in the sense that fun games are the best result, but so is immersive gameplay as well as games that utilize the power and graphics of the time to help games evolve. You shouldnt downplay the graphics and power in their relation to gaming in general. Gaming started with graphics and power and it will end with graphics and power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiftfallout
    Gundam was also one of the top selling games in japan. Each game sold at around $70-80 (converted from yen). You have to multiply the number of sales by the game cost, which can be anywhere from 50-80 times the sales in terms of profits. Based off an average price of $60, the gundam game would have to sell 130,000 copies to break even.
    Not trying to flame or anything but game company will not get all money from game sold. Part of it goes to Sony and part of it goes to making product it self. Then there is part of money that goes to logistic, marketing and other stuff. And slice will be taken by coverment and reseller. But I think that for some years allready games have been better business than movies. It will be interesting to see if and how much are game companies actually going to profit on exlusives on diffrent consoles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancestor
    Not trying to flame or anything but game company will not get all money from game sold. Part of it goes to Sony and part of it goes to making product it self. Then there is part of money that goes to logistic, marketing and other stuff. And slice will be taken by coverment and reseller. But I think that for some years allready games have been better business than movies. It will be interesting to see if and how much are game companies actually going to profit on exlusives on diffrent consoles.
    good call. I was trying to make an example with numbers and completely overlooked that side of it. And yes you are correct, games are now producing higher profits than found in the movie industry.

    ADD: the correct number would be estimated at 500,000 units sold to make a profit. This is IF the budget was over 8 million AND that they used it all.
    Last edited by Shiftfallout; 03-30-2007 at 02:18 AM.

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    Shiftfallout you tard. Gundam barely made any profit off that game. It may cost $60 on average, but Bandai did not make $60 off each game sold. They only keep a small percentage of profits. Right now Bandai is furious the game lost them so much money. No game company on the planet can afford to lose millions of dollars per game. Maybe... Microsoft.

    Yes, I want it to sink in again. $8 million budget + 200,000 copies sold equals massive profit loss. It's a very realistic problem that has only been growing for the game industry. These budgets are outright out of control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagema
    Shiftfallout you tard. Gundam barely made any profit off that game. It may cost $60 on average, but Bandai did not make $60 off each game sold. They only keep a small percentage of profits. Right now Bandai is furious the game lost them so much money. No game company on the planet can afford to lose millions of dollars per game. Maybe... Microsoft.

    Yes, I want it to sink in again. $8 million budget + 200,000 copies sold equals massive profit loss. It's a very realistic problem that has only been growing for the game industry. These budgets are outright out of control.
    hahahaha.. classic. Good job at posting the same thing Ancestor did, you wouldnt have even had a clue. Its hilarious that after reading his post you copy it.

    Kids are funny for sure.

    By the way, who said they were making profit? lol gee your smart. Pay attention next time.

    I however did say that Gundam made it to the top of the chart in japan, selling 170,725 units in its first week. Ouch thats got to burn now doesnt it? kinda makes you look stupid. Should have just stayed quiet if i were you.
    http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=13068

    Ok, since i have done my research and you have not,
    get your ADD under control and pay attention closely.
    On average, a PS3 game is estimated at 8 million to develope, however this does not mean all games are made for 8 million dollars or that the total budget is used. Got it?
    Second, for the games that DO cost around 8 mill, they need to sell 500,000 units to make a profit. This information is coming from the president of Namco. Pay attention, 500,000 units. Within the first week alone Gundam has sold close to 200,000. Got it?
    I would like for you to tell me where you gathered the exact budget for Gundam by the way if you can, which i doubt since from what i know they have not made that public.

    Let me throw it at you again for good measure, no one said the game was making profit yet. Thats only you thinking your smart by assuming so. If you cant tell the difference between having a discussing how many units a game sells, and the total number needed for profit, compared to saying that there is profit, then you need to get checked in the head.

    So nice try kid, you tried to tear me down and only ended up hurting yourself. Way to go. Keep it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiftfallout
    hahahaha.. classic. Good job at posting the same thing Ancestor did, you wouldnt have even had a clue. Its hilarious that after reading his post you copy it.

    Kids are funny for sure.

    By the way, who said they were making profit? lol gee your smart. Pay attention next time.

    I however did say that Gundam made it to the top of the chart in japan, selling 170,725 units in its first week. Ouch thats got to burn now doesnt it? kinda makes you look stupid. Should have just stayed quiet if i were you.
    http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=13068

    Ok, since i have done my research and you have not,
    get your ADD under control and pay attention closely.
    On average, a PS3 game is estimated at 8 million to develope, however this does not mean all games are made for 8 million dollars or that the total budget is used. Got it?
    Second, for the games that DO cost around 8 mill, they need to sell 500,000 units to make a profit. This information is coming from the president of Namco. Pay attention, 500,000 units. Within the first week alone Gundam has sold close to 200,000. Got it?
    I would like for you to tell me where you gathered the exact budget for Gundam by the way if you can, which i doubt since from what i know they have not made that public.

    Let me throw it at you again for good measure, no one said the game was making profit yet. Thats only you thinking your smart by assuming so. If you cant tell the difference between having a discussing how many units a game sells, and the total number needed for profit, compared to saying that there is profit, then you need to get checked in the head.

    So nice try kid, you tried to tear me down and only ended up hurting yourself. Way to go. Keep it up.
    hahahaha,

    man, your outta control, is making long, crappy posts, on forums, your job? how much do you make an hour?

    you need to get checked out..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by A RAND0M TAC0
    hahahaha,

    man, your outta control, is making long, crappy posts, on forums, your job? how much do you make an hour?

    you need to get checked out..........
    seems you equate long posts with taking a long time to type them. I suppose though, for someone who probably cant type very fast that you would assume so.

    Sorry you cant type fast, shall i show you sympathy instead jeff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiftfallout
    seems you equate long posts with taking a long time to type them. I suppose though, for someone who probably cant type very fast that you would assume so.

    Sorry you cant type fast, shall i show you sympathy instead jeff?
    Yea you should, since you act as if your some kind of god and look down on everyone here.

    You're just a sad little man, aren't you? How long can you keep this up?

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    Either way, Games cost alot and alot of em dont make profit in the end. Bluray will cost much more, so we will have to see if they will be able to make any $$.
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    I know. I said I have to repeat with you Shift. I don't want you repeating your mistakes. Of coarse this effort maybe in vain. Keep calling us kids. It's your best defense.

    "Yes, I want it to sink in again." That was directed towards you Shift.

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