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    Is PS3 Destined to fail?

    Sonys electronics division has posted a profit only once in the last five years, and its share price has fallen...

    Sony introduces the PS3 on the market not only as a top of the line gaming console but also as a HD Media center and front runner for Sonys jump into there own HD dvd format Blue-ray.
    Now the HD dvd market isn't in great shape to begin with, although Blue-ray is outselling its competitor HDDVD,
    The combined sales of all HDDVD and Blue-ray disk has yet to even reach that of one popular DVD.

    The HD market itself is still small and in its infancy, but was it a good call on sonys part to try to force yet another media format, and with it higher price on its dedicated console fans?

    Some of Sonys conga line of failures include, Sony Connect, the Net MD Walkman, Mini-Disc, Betamax... you get the picture.

    They have had no problem with trying to force there own media format on consumers in the past and all be it most were "superior" to there competition, Sonys lack of keeping it a option instead of forcing has always hurt them in the past...

    The worst part is this causes the PS3 to stay the highest priced console on the market and is has kept Sony in last place in sales and profit.
    In my opinion its more linked to the high price than to lack of games or console quality.
    They seem to be only selling to there very strong fan base, and not the Vast amount of casual gamers they are known for having with the PS2

    Besides a price drop to get the system into the same range as its competitors, is there anything Sony can do to Save the Ps3?
    Or is it destined to become the least remebered console this generation?
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    This topic sucks, it has almost nothing to do with gaming nor is it really interesting. Do you own a PS3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T3kNi9e
    This topic sucks, it has almost nothing to do with gaming nor is it really interesting. Do you own a PS3?

    What do you mean it has nothing to do with Gaming, im pointing out how Ps3 has made this move in the past and that now they are doing it to there Gaming console as well. And then i ask "what they can do to improve it"?

    I dont own a ps3 but have one hooked up to me HDTV every weekend when friends bring it over to play rockband, or whatever else we are in the mood for.. The only bennift for me is the HDMI easy connection...

    I will not buy the ps3 till they get the price in the 300 dollar price range with the other competitors, or come out with something groundbreaking that i can't go with out... The talk of the New Eye toy and all its capabilities is the only thing getting my ears ringing so far but untill i see it and how great it really is instead of just claims im still waiting on a price drop... Besides a Blue-ray player, that i dont need, they have yet to really wow me, or earned the higher price tag...

    If you cant think of things they could do to improve the ps3 and market it to everyone, not just the fanbase...
    why did you even comment? The only thing stupid "if you dont mind me quoting you" is ignoring a systems flaws and admit what it should improve...
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    But thats talking about Sony Market, it just happens to mention that they forced blue-ray on PS3 gamers. But IMO, they're doing fine. They just realized that if you are going to force blue-ray on the PS3, you need more than just HD movies to attract people to buy it because ultimately its a gaming console. Which they are doing with games like FF and MGS4. Ive wondered if maybe they're crashing down because of so many failures and loss of money, but I think they will do fine.

    But its got almost nothing to do with gaming and basically talking about Sony's addiction on trying to force a new media format thats better than the "competion". Thats like making a topic on Microsoft releasing Vista and the failures of vista. But like vista, it started off rough and its starting to pick up.
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    Would they have been as bad off without the Blueray though? I highly doubt it...
    I'm pointing out why they are Failing in the First place... Whenever they have done it in the past it has ended bad when they "forced" a new format.

    So Why would they do it to something as Money making as there Console market? Gaming was the only place they were really making money in there elctronics devision, and have made money in for a while. They pretty much cutting there own throats forcing a new format on something that is considered Secondary to the console market...

    What can they do to fix it? Ive seen the standard HD games but if 360 doesnt put there games in HDDVD format are any 3rd partys really going to come out with Crazy HD games?

    Maybe sony should invest in some more 1st or 2nd party game studios,Making killer HD games that acctually fill up a Blueray disk in HD format... No one else could really even come close if they did that... Maybe Xbox, but they wouldn't be willing to loose sales to the fanbase of people who dont have a HDDVD 360's eaither... its something only Sony could outdo anyone at...

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    Sony was trying to truley be next-gen. There plan was supposed to be that PS3 will last alot longer than 360 and Wii. Apparently a 10 year life cycle. If that is true, then they dont expect to be ahead now and will sell alot long later on. Even still, PS3 is the cheapest blue-ray player out there. So with movie studios like Warner Bros. going Blu-ray exclusive, its going to sell more. There are also other movie studios that are planning on dropping HD and moving to blu-ray because of Warner. So in my eyes, I see PS3 getting a bit stroke of luck and they are doing good. PS3 probably wont drop in price for a good while or unless other blu-ray dvd players drop in price, for example Toshiba's. So basically its not over, Sony is doing fine.
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    Lol and Vista is not doing better...
    the only reason sales even really continue is because its all Microsoft is willing to sell
    The sales are much lower than XP ever was...

    More people are buying/digging up XP to covert there Vista computer back to Xp...
    It will probably continue that way untill Vista is fixed, also apple computer sales have increased significantly since vista launched because of how bad the new OS is...

    Your comparing apples to oranges with that argument.

    Your talking about a market that is almost a monopoly... people dont have a choice with Windows... most will wait till it gets better to even bother with it like me, but you cant avoid it unless you switch to a much less supported operating system...

    Gaming is no were near that type of industry... every mistake cost millions of dollars that you will never see... not just cost you millions untill you decide to make it better...

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    My main concern with Blue-ray itself is if it will catch on enough to be worth it... its obviously the leading format of HD disk... But what good is being the leader of a small media format?

    Are disk even going to be around long enough to make money off the format?
    If they are going to invest in Blueray or HDDVD they need to do it fast, because within the next 10 years these things will be as outdated as VHS tapes....

    More and more we get away from physicall media, everyone has DVR's instead of VCR's, alot of people have some type of On Demand service where instead of going out and renting or buying a video they just save it onto there Hard Drive under the T.V.
    I personally haven't bought a DVD type movie "except spiderman-3 for christmas to complete the collection" in over a year... but i have bought over 30 movies in the past 6 months, they are just saved on my DVR instead of taking up room on my DVD rack...
    alot i even took off the DVD rack and put onto the DVR then stored the old DVD's away... why should i pay 30 bucks for a HD movie when i get it for 5?

    The same goes with Gaming with all this downloadable content now.. do you have any idea how much money they save with no packaging,or physical media? let alone the extra income from the option to buy these types of media the second you see it advertised...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahirrama
    PS3 isn't destined to fail...

    1. Wii is more of a novelty item. You buy it, play it for a week until the thrill wears off, then let it collect dust while playing other systems. After that you only brag to your friends that you have a Wii and they don't.

    2. Xbox 360 Red Ring of Death
    I know Microsoft is gonna fix the overheating problem, but the legacy of the RROD precedes it. That is really gonna hurt sales.

    3. Xbox 360 HD-DVD player
    Nobody will actually need one of these anymore, and it is one less reason to buy a 360.

    4. PS3 has awesome exclusive titles
    -Warhawk
    -Uncharted
    -Heavenly Sword
    -Folklore
    -Metal Gear Solid 4
    -God of War III
    -Devil May Cry 4 will have exclusive content

    5. 360 has only 1 good exclusive title...Halo 3
    Almost every other good game for the 360 is either on the PC or PS3

    6. Playstation Home

    7. PS3 Blu-Ray
    People are gonna want a high def player once the war is over, and the PS3 is the way to go.
    http://www.wiichat.com/playstation-3...nions-too.html

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