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    Metagross works well in the tower as well. Rotom too (ironicly)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tails McCloud~
    Metagross works well in the tower as well. Rotom too (ironicly)
    Oh metagross, is their nothing you can't do?

    Dude, even your toy has a projectile coming out of each arm....
    I love metagross....
    Damn, Suddenly I predict drawing my self hugging a metagross in Western Civ today...

    Edit: I just found this, this afternoon. Their was/is a thread on smogon about long running battle tower bouts, use the link, and each of the mini 3 man teams will send you to the build move list of each

    DP Battle Tower TOP 30 Single Battle Records

    1. Team Rocket Elite (US, 177) – Metagross, Gengar, Blissey (JAP, 188) – Metagross, Umbreon, Garchomp
    2. Peterko (173) – Starmie, Garchomp, Snorlax
    3.-4. valir (165) – Swellow, Weezing, Bronzong
    3.-4. DougJustDoug (165) - Starmie, Tyaranitar, Garchomp
    5. Gungnir85 (155) – Swellow, Gengar, Cresselia
    6. Gardevoir (152) – Milotic, Metagross, Garchomp
    7. Ashenlock (144) – Garchomp, Blissey, Latios
    8. the dvd pirate (143) - Starmie, Blissey, Garchomp
    9. theDesolator (140) – Heracross, Swellow, Blissey
    10. Jumpman16 (129) – Starmie, Tyranitar, Garchomp
    11. cmg474 (128) - Hippowdon, Garchomp, Metagross
    12. LazyTrainerSteveO (116) - Slaking, Uxie + 1
    13. Gouki (112*) – Azelf, Tyranitar, Garchomp
    14. Beastmanboy (109) - Garchomp, Starmie, Heracross
    15.-22. Expert Evan (105*) – Starmie, Tyranitar, Garchomp
    15.-22. Nemesis (105*) – Garchomp, Tyranitar, Starmie
    15.-22. Mr.Someone (105*) – Azelf, Garchomp, Gyarados
    15.-22. SwinubToupée (105*) – Starmie, Tyranitar, Garchomp
    15.-22. Mow (105*) – Sceptile, Scizor, Gardevoir
    15.-22. [-AC-] (105*) - Starmie, Tyranitar, Garchomp
    15.-22. Ulevo (105*) - Garchomp, Azelf, Latios
    15.-22. Bone Ronin (105) – Forretress, Salamence, Snorlax
    23.-24. Extrasensory (103) - Starmie, Lucario, Garchomp
    23.-24. L E A V E1 (103) - Starmie, Tyranitar, Garchomp
    25. CZ (100) – Gengar, Garchomp, Azelf
    26. Kijin (98) – Garchomp, Starmie, Blissey
    27. Giard (95) – Porygon-Z, Medicham, Tyranitar
    28. Hrothgar (94) – Froslass, Metagross, Suicune
    29. ottlite (92) - Starmie, Metagross, Garchomp
    30.-34. Rubberbandman (91) – Garchomp, Metagross, Azelf
    30.-34. nomargu46 (91) – Mismagius, Skarmory, Spiritomb
    30.-34. akayfortyseven (91) – Rampardos, Empoleon, Dragonite
    30.-34. Taylorz (91) – Salamence, Garchomp, Blissey
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    Banette outclasses Sc..erm..Rotom in everything except the ELEC type class so he might be a better DoubleStater ghost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tails McCloud~
    Banette outclasses Sc..erm..Rotom in everything except the ELEC type class so he might be a better DoubleStater ghost.
    Ide like to stop, and marvel at Peterko's Snorlax

    snorlax @ leftovers
    (male, careful, thick fat, IVs - 30/31/29/x/31/28, 252 HP, 252 sD, 6 speed?)
    - body slam
    - crunch
    - curse
    - rest

    HOLY COW
    and he just found it in a box, leftover from the advance days
    Why cant I luck up into finding something awesome in what I own?

    As far as Rotom goes...I got raped by a rotom once....it was sad..on pbr...
    It looked something like this

    Rotom @Choice Scarf
    Trick
    Thunderbolt
    Shadow Ball (I think? Maybe thunder-wave)
    Will-o-Whisp

    It is kinda really sad, considering...Rotom's Thunder bolt is off aprox 142.5 special A, due to it's stabb, Stronger than gengar's T-bolt, but not stronger shadow ball...it was a mean lead.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Strype McClaine
    Ide like to stop, and marvel at Peterko's Snorlax

    snorlax @ leftovers
    (male, careful, thick fat, IVs - 30/31/29/x/31/28, 252 HP, 252 sD, 6 speed?)
    - body slam
    - crunch
    - curse
    - rest

    HOLY COW
    and he just found it in a box, leftover from the advance days
    Why cant I luck up into finding something awesome in what I own?

    As far as Rotom goes...I got raped by a rotom once....it was sad..on pbr...
    It looked something like this

    Rotom @Choice Scarf
    Trick
    Thunderbolt
    Shadow Ball (I think? Maybe thunder-wave)
    Will-o-Whisp

    It is kinda really sad, considering...Rotom's Thunder bolt is off aprox 142.5 special A, due to it's stabb, Stronger than gengar's T-bolt, but not stronger shadow ball...it was a mean lead.
    the eeveelutions are always the ones that screw me over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tails McCloud~
    I dont like shinies at all, bit I keep them because their rare. I gave awaw my shiny jap Dialga.
    you ever use the shiny pkmn like that lanturn?
    Screw the sig, I'm a veteran.
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    Gave it to my brother. He really wanted it, so I let him have it (I still have a shiny Arcanine hee hee)
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    can somebody help me better understand all these special ways of raising pokemon because i didnt know that somebodys lets say pikachu at lvl 100 could have 50 more attck and def then mines....and whats IV or EV training i bet its been answered in one of dese pages but i dont want to read trough 80 pages to find my answer......so can somebody help me or talk to me on aim and help me btter understand all the secrets of the game

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    I'll let you have this one Strype. You give better explinations than me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topsy kretts
    can somebody help me better understand all these special ways of raising Pokemon because i didn't know that somebody's lets say pikachu at lvl 100 could have 50 more attack and def then mines....and whats IV or EV training i bet its been answered in one of dese pages but i don't want to read trough 80 pages to find my answer......so can somebody help me or talk to me on aim and help me better understand all the secrets of the game
    I'll AIM this to you later, however, it works sort of like this.

    Their are three things that can alter a Pokemon's stats beyond its basic stat distribution: Natures, EVs, and finely IVs.

    Natures: Natures give the most profound impact and the "Easiest" To control, when breeding, and by far the easiest to even see. Under your pkmn description it will say <blank> nature, there are a total of 25 possible natures. 5 of these natures are neutral, however the other 20 give +10% to one stat and a -10% to a different stat. This can mean a lot for some certain pokes, such as a Garchomp who has a 130 base attack, +10% to that base attack, is an increase of 13 base points, which goes a long way into power.

    I cant find the normal chart I post, but I like this one here.
    When breeding if the mother (or ditto) is holding the ever stone, their is a 50% the nature will be passed on to the child. If hunting wild (and legends) havening a poke with the ability Synchronize in lead gives a 50% to encounter one with the same nature, again, good for legend hunting.

    Next IVs: IVs, are one of the hidden aspects of the game, that is a little harder to explain, but bare with me. Every poke is born with a set of IVs one for each stat that goes from 0-31. If it is a random poke encounter (trainers, Legends, random pokes) the IVs are randomly rolled and are kept at that forever. Once the poke is created it cant change it's IVs. In breeding there is a set of percentages to how an IV can be passed on. Three IVs are randomly selected from the parents, and then passed to the child

    HP: 8.02% chance of being inherited
    Atk: 19.55% chance of being inherited
    Def: 13.78% chance of being inherited
    SpAtk: 19.55% chance of being inherited
    SpDef: 19.55% chance of being inherited
    Speed: 19.55% chance of being inherited

    Why is this useful? Because of two things.
    1) this might be the tactical advantage you need (just a little more damage, just a little more defense, a little more speed)
    2) Hidden Power.
    Hidden Power is a special move with variable power and a variable type that is based off of IVs, This can be very helpful giving something a typed move that it would normally not get (ex. A venusaur gaining an Ice Move)

    It is determined as such:

    The easiest way to discover the type of your Hidden Power is to start from zero, and:

    1) Add 32 if the Special Defense IV is odd.
    2) Add 16 if the Special Attack IV is odd.
    3) Add 8 if the Speed IV is odd.
    4) Add 4 if the Defense IV is odd.
    5) Add 2 if the Attack IV is odd.
    6) Add 1 if the HP IV is odd.

    Depending on the resulting number, the type of your Hidden Power can be found using the following chart:

    Between 0 and 4: Fighting
    Between 5 and 8: Flying
    Between 9 and 12: Poison
    Between 13 and 16: Ground
    Between 17 and 20: Rock
    Between 21 and 25: Bug
    Between 26 and 29: Ghost
    Between 30 and 33: Steel
    Between 34 and 37: Fire
    Between 38 and 41: Water
    Between 42 and 46: Grass
    Between 47 and 50: Electric
    Between 51 and 54: Psychic
    Between 55 and 58: Ice
    Between 59 and 62: Dragon
    63: Dark

    And it's power:

    Start from zero. Then, for each IV, if the IV divided by two is an odd number (rounded down), i.e. IV = 31 or 30 (15), 27 or 26 (13), 23 or 22 (11), 19 or 18 (9), 15 or 14 (7), 11 or 10 (5), 7 or 6 (3), or 3 or 2 (1)

    then:

    1) Add 32 if the IV is the Special Defense IV.
    2) Add 16 if the IV is the Special Attack IV.
    3) Add 8 if the IV is the Speed IV.
    4) Add 4 if the IV is the Defense IV.
    5) Add 2 if the IV is the Attack IV.
    6) Add 1 if the IV is the HP IV.

    After finishing, multiply this number by 40, then divide the answer by 63, and round down. Finally, add 30 to this answer, and you have your Hidden Power base power.

    Complicated sure, but use things like Serebii's IV calculator, and if you know the true IV's (say at lvl 100, using an IV battle) you can find out that way.

    You can also try PsyPoke's Calculator, It's pretty good, and has a manual calibration option, very handy.

    Finely EV's:
    EVs are something that you have 100% control over. Thats right, you control EV's Completely.
    Dimond Angel wrote the best guide here however, heres the down and dirty of it.
    EV's allow total customization of your stats, up to a point.
    Think of it like this, you have 510 EV points to spend, however you like, and the max you can put in a stat (and still get effect) is 252. At lvl 100, 4 EVs = 1 stat point, 252 EVs= 63 stat points.

    Every time you KO a poke in game (not over wifi) you gain ev points, however much it gives. Just about every online pokedex has written down what effort points you gain per poke.

    Example. Bidoof = 1hp , Staraptor 3 Attk, Blissey 3 Hp, ect ect ect

    This sounds like alot, but it can be quickly speed up with items.
    Macho Brace; Doubles the EVs Earned.
    Power Weight: +4 HP EVs per KO
    Power Bracer: +4 Attack EVs per KO
    Power Belt: +4 Defense EVs per KO
    Power Lens: +4 Special Attack EVs per KO
    Power Band: +4 Special Defense EVs per KO
    Power Anklet: +4 Speed EVs per KO

    Pomeg Berry: Lowers Hit Points by 10
    Kelpsy Berry: Lowers Attack by 10
    Qualot Berry: Lowers Defense by 10
    Hondew Berry: Lowers Special Attack by 10
    Grepa Berry: Lowers Special Defense by 10
    Tamato Berry: Lowers Speed by 10

    The Vitamins Also give 10 Evs for the stat they are attached to up to 100.

    Lastly, Pokrus
    Pokerus is a virus that a poke can get that enhances it's ev growth, effectively doubling it.

    So, in theory,
    1 Magikarp = 1 speed EV
    (1 Magikarp + 4 Speed (power item) ) * 2 (Pokerus) = 10 EV stat points

    Makes that 252 look allot less daunting doesn't it? kill 25 Magikarp with a power item, kill one with out.

    Read the guide I posted, it answers even more questions.


    Now to bring this all together.

    Formula

    HP Stat = ((IV + 2 * Base + (EV/4)) * Level/100) + 10 + Level

    Other Stats = [((IV + 2 * Base + (EV/4)) * Level/100) + 5] * Nature

    When calculating the stats, (EV/4) is always rounded down.

    This shows how it all comes together.

    My sources used.
    Dimond Angel's EV/IV guide
    Bulbapedia, in general useful
    Peekto and X-Act's Breeding Guide; A literal Textbook of Pokemon.



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