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    Never said it was bad. Not sure if you read my edit or not.




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    dunno lol

    My point was, Avalanche > Body Slam on an offensive physical set. And we both know the only thing I ever think about is offense.

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    not on a fast poke

    Even if it's slow, if the power boost is, say, 20%, I'd rather use a 102 base power move (Body Slam) with normal priority, guaranteed full power, and a 30% paralysis chance than Avalanche.




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    'Cept on an offensive set with full investment in Atk.
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    They each have their perks. It's just that Avalanche makes the user go last, and if you aren't attacked in that turn, it has a power of 60. Body Slam (especially with a power boost from Refrigerate), Return (it actually hits harder if Refrigerate boosts power by at least 20%), and Double Edge are a lot more reliable.

    Avalanche can be very useful on (slow and preferably somewhat bulky) Pokemon that lack a physical ice type move with more potential power. Especially if they're Ice-type. Of course, there are no such moves, save Icicle Spear, which is a bit more unreliable aside from having normal priority (except on Cloyster). The thing is, the little ice dino will almost certainly have more reliable, and possibly more powerful, options.
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    Rapid Spin might be actually useful as an attack... assuming it could get Rabid Spin.
    Or a super powered icy Explosion





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    Well, no. Rapid Spin would still be terribly weak no matter how large the boost from Refrigerate is.

    Boosted Explosion is terrifying... er, as terrifyin' as it used t' be anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    They each have their perks. It's just that Avalanche makes the user go last, and if you aren't attacked in that turn, it has a power of 60. Body Slam (especially with a power boost from Refrigerate), Return (it actually hits harder if Refrigerate boosts power by at least 20%), and Double Edge are a lot more reliable.

    Avalanche can be very useful on (slow and preferably somewhat bulky) Pokemon that lack a physical ice type move with more potential power. Especially if they're Ice-type. Of course, there are no such moves, save Icicle Spear, which is a bit more unreliable aside from having normal priority (except on Cloyster). The thing is, the little ice dino will almost certainly have more reliable, and possibly more powerful, options.
    All I'm hearing is "unreliability < 120 BP". Which is nonsense when it comes to an offensive tank/hole-puncher set.

    ... So, does Refrigerate only boost Normal-type moves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash_King View Post
    Well, no. Rapid Spin would still be terribly weak no matter how large the boost from Refrigerate is.
    I don't think MR meant that it would be used to damage things.

    All I'm hearing is "unreliability < 120 BP". Which is nonsense when it comes to an offensive tank/hole-puncher set.

    ... So, does Refrigerate only boost Normal-type moves?
    Opponent switches out? 60 base power. Opponent uses Moonlight? 60 base power. Opponent is a Sunflora? You get outsped and killed.

    Meanwhile, you could be smacking opponents with normal priority moves that have guaranteed 85/102/120 base power. Possibly higher, depending on how Refrigerate works. And yes, going by the wording, I think it only boosts normal type moves.

    If it doesn't boost normal type moves aside from STAB, your argument for Avalanche over Body Slam is certainly valid, though personally I'd rather be using Body Slam. The reliability of Return and Double Edge would still make them better than Avalanche, imo.




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    Then again, squid, you can go all day with your body slam... But you'll never have type advantage when it comes to normal moves as opposed to avalanche. You could always hit something hard. And from your scenario,
    If sunflora would switch in it would get almost killed by super effective avalanche wouldn't it?
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    storm refrigerate changes normal moves to ice type lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    I don't think MR meant that it would be used to damage things.


    Opponent switches out? 60 base power. Opponent uses Moonlight? 60 base power. Opponent is a Sunflora? You get outsped and killed.

    Meanwhile, you could be smacking opponents with normal priority moves that have guaranteed 85/102/120 base power. Possibly higher, depending on how Refrigerate works. And yes, going by the wording, I think it only boosts normal type moves.

    If it doesn't boost normal type moves aside from STAB, your argument for Avalanche over Body Slam is certainly valid, though personally I'd rather be using Body Slam. The reliability of Return and Double Edge would still make them better than Avalanche, imo.
    ... But that wouldn't make sense since Rapid Spin is already useful.

    If Refrigerate only boosts Normal-type moves, that's dumb. And also makes Return more useful. In the case it doesn't, you can't ignore that 18 BP. It'l be important t' secure a KO on a specific Poke with a specific EV spread, guaranteed. The only question is, will that Poke be a threat in Amaura's tier and thus make my situational argument at all viable?

    Return versus Avalanche in this scenario is akin to Rock Slide versus Stone Edge. The extra power WILL be worth the downside in certain situations. It's only a matter of whether or not said situations will crop up often.

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