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    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    It's actually the favorite Pokemon of one of my irl friends.
    ... Does your friend also have shitty typing? Or just an awful BST?

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    Okay now you're just trolling aren't you
    nope.avi fatrabbit sucks both competitively and design-wise

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    Speaking of Sableye getting cool moves, in Smogon's new "STABmon" metagame, Sableye has access to Parting Shot, Destiny Bond, Topsy-Turvy, and Dark Void. <3
    Now, that is ****in' broken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash_King View Post
    nope.avi fatrabbit sucks both competitively and design-wise
    you suck both competitively and design-wise




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    No, I am not a Sableye.
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    Interesting...

    I was confused about Belch's usefulness at first, but upon further examination, it isn't a bad move at all. For one, although you need to consume a berry first, you can use the move as much as you want afterwards. I wasn't sure if it would still work after switching out, but I have confirmed myself that it does. Belch has 120 BP and 90 accuracy, for those that aren't aware.

    This is useful for Swalot in particular, as not only is it one of the users of the move with a decent special attack (er, 73 is a bit bad, but not unsalvageable), but it also gets Gluttony to make consuming certain berries far easier. Honestly, Swalot's gotten better this generation, with the good matchup against fairies, Belch, Infestation, and a more accurate Gunk Shot. I'm not going to be hasty to call it a good Pokemon (I'm expecting it to be at least decent in NU, which is better than nothing), but it will definitely have more viability than before. Not sure by how much, at the moment. Not expecting it to move higher than mid or high NU, but I guess RU isn't completely out of the question. I would legitimately be surprised though. Happy, but surprised.

    This doesn't actually matter, but I find it notable how the game literally does not allow you to select Belch until you've eaten a berry. I thought it would just have the move fail, but it doesn't allow you to select it at all. Weird.

    Edit: Apparently all sound-based moves now go through Substitutes. The animation for Belch looks exactly like a sound based move, so it probably is one. Neat.
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    Lets talk about something very important... Fairies.

    Brand new type, huge upcoming impact on the metagame, but where will which Fairy best lay they're Farfetched typing and strategies? Which Fairy has the best Chansey of being in the Elite group of pokes? Which will Rhy-don the high horse to OU? Well, in my opinion,

    It could be Florges.

    Yes yes I know, Sylveon has a lot of attention being of the first Fairy types revealed, but this thing can make some noise in OU. HP : 78/Atk: 65/Defense: 68/Sp Attack: 112/Sp Defense: 154/ Speed: 75

    Notably, Florges learns Wish and Aromatherapy so it has a viable Wish support set being a team cleric while also sporting that nice 112 base SpAtk. 78/68/154 defenses with its great typing are no laughing matter. This thing will make its mark as one of the new premier walls in OU, possibly even becoming more popular than Blissey because of its impunity to Dragons. Moonblast comes as the STAB of choice while also having an assortment of niche coverage moves such as Psychich and Petal Blizzard, a new grass type move which is essentially the Grass version of Flamethrower.

    Depending on what you are using, I feel Florges will find herself scattered amongst many teams. This is only my opinion, who do you think the best fairy will be this gen? And how do you feel about Florges?
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    I wonder if Troll Freak intentionally kept Fairy-type away from the Blissey evolution line for balancing purposes... if so, good on 'em.

    Petal Blizzard is Physical. Which is actually a good thing, as Grass-types with high Attack have needed somethin' 'sides the ol' recoilin' Wood Hammer. Florges gets Energy Ball anyways (which now has 90 BP). But yeah, Florges is definitely gonna be a useful Fairy-type Sponge. Wish and Aromatherapy team support is amazing for Singles, and a Dragon-type immunity allows it t' switch about Fairyly easily to acquire those needed turns for said moves. Not t' mention it's a Special tank, as it can actually hit back. Even if it's Base 112 Sp.A goes uninvested, STAB Moonblast will hurt anythin' with 0/0 defenses that doesn't resist.

    'Course, don't forget 'bout old Pokes reclassed as fairies. Togekiss traded it's Ghost-type immunity for Dragon (which isn't necessarily great), and now has a second Special STAB. Who knows what new tools it's gettin'. Mega Mawile and Mega Gardevoir hit like trucks, and obviously Florges won't be used for it's offenses like those two. I've also heard talk 'bout Azumarill, as Fairy-typing is a blatant blessing for it. And let me tell ya, priority is gonna be REALLY important this Generation... since Azumarill is literally better than it used t' be, we might see it in OU. It ain't no Mega Scizor @ Bullet Punch, but it ain't no joke neither.

    As for what the best Fairy-type will be, obvsly xerneas why does that thing learn close combat srsly

    Anyways, day four's pack'a Spiritomb have been sent out onto Wonder Trade (started doin' this two days 'fore I posted about it, actually). In return, I received a Lv. 21 Japanese Woobat, a Lv. 10 Sentret, a Lv. 30 Quagsire, a Lv. 12 Espurr, and a newborn Japanese Ralts.

    The Espurr was received from someone with only 8 hours clocked, so no hard feelin's. The Ralts, however... was Female, had Synchronize, and an Adamant nature. Either the breeder mindlessly tossed their Mega Gardevoir-incompatible, "worthless" Ralts onto Wonder Trade like a dick, or they intentionally gave away a Ralts capable of breedin' down more Ralts @ Synchronize (female Pokes have a 80% chance to pass down their ability to off-spring when bred with a not-Ditto)... with a lovely Adamant nature. Who knows what their intent was, but I'm happy either way. Might as well breed some synchronizes for chaining I intend to do later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    Interesting...

    I was confused about Belch's usefulness at first, but upon further examination, it isn't a bad move at all.
    No.

    Belch is the Special version of Gunk Shot, which sacrifices your item in exchange for 10% more accuracy. It's a bad move usable only on Pokes that are using a berry for their set regardless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    Edit: Apparently all sound-based moves now go through Substitutes. The animation for Belch looks exactly like a sound based move, so it probably is one. Neat.
    Certain types have a (new) immunity to related status, Fairy-type is a direct hard counter to the previously two most common types during the last two Generations, the aforementioned property of sound moves, Destiny Knot's new effect, Friend Safari Pokes havin' two guaranteed 31 IVs, Super Training... every Generation, there's more 'n more things to balance and expand competitive battlin', and even make the pre-battle stuff (breeding 'n EV trainin') more accessible to veterans 'n newbies alike. Ninty might be anti-competitive, but Game Freak sure as shit has us super-srs gamers' backs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Storm View Post
    Lets talk about something very important... Fairies.

    Brand new type, huge upcoming impact on the metagame, but where will which Fairy best lay they're Farfetched typing and strategies? Which Fairy has the best Chansey of being in the Elite group of pokes? Which will Rhy-don the high horse to OU?
    Dedenne

    But really, the fairies getting the most hype on Smogon seem to be Azumarill, Togekiss, and (Mega)Mawile. I don't know which will be the "best" right now, but I'll do some simple analysis on each of them. I won't be looking in detail at any of them, so it won't be amazing, but bear with me.

    Clefable: Too outclassed for the upper tiers, and isn't good enough statwise to compete with some of the other pure fairies. Magic Guard, as always, will be its main saving grace. Not taking damage from poison, spikes, etc is really awesome. Might have competition with Sylveon and Slurpuff in the lower tiers, but I do believe Magic Guard puts in mostly above Slurpuff competitively.

    Wigglytuff: Can't tell. Sadly one of the less useful fairies, and that normal typing is a hit and miss. On one hand, it can better counter ghost-types, and it also has better neutral STAB coverage. On the other hand, it loses most of its ability to counter fighting types. With Steel losing its ability to take on ghost types, Wigglytuff will have a niche among lower tier fairies, but its stats are not impressive whatsoever, although its high HP allows it to spam Double Edge with less recoil, at least. It will most likely end up being top tier NU if most of the other fairies end up in higher tiers.

    Mr. Mime: I guess it doesn't learn Draining Kiss, so it can't abuse it with Technician, which really sucks for it, especially considering its hilarious HP stat. It might end up being a good low tier sweeper, since unlike most fairies, it has both above average offenses and speed. It has decent special bulk too, although its low HP and defense make any defensive sets outclassed (god it wishes it had Draining Kiss).

    Togetic: A pre evo that's worth mentioning since it has amazing bulk with Eviolite. It might outclass the other low-tier defensive fairies in certain ways, although its crappy HP makes Wish passing a lesser option. It's also Stealth Rock weak and can't hold an item outside of Eviolite.

    Azumarill: I've been hearing things about Bully Drum + Aqua Jet, which I guess it has now? Kind of surprised to see that getting so much hype, considering Belly Drum, but indeed, it's bulky enough to take certain hits even after using Belly Drum once. If the opposing team doesn't have either a wall that can outspeed, finish it off, and take an Aqua Jet, or strong priority, they're out. It also has great defensive typing, so its usefulness isn't limited to setting up and sweeping. Fantastic.

    Granbull: The most physically bulky fairy in the game ('sides Arceus) if you take into account Indimidate. Besides Mawile, Carbink, and to a lesser extent Togekiss and Azumarill, every fairy has decent physical bulk at best. Considering that Mawile, Azumarill and Togekiss will probably be OU, and that Carbink seems to lack recovery, offense, and enough supportive moves, Granbull will be one of the best physical walls in the lower tiers. Sure, it lacks recovery, but a teammate can Wish support it. It also hits quite hard and gets EQ to hit most things that resist its STAB. I imagine that it will be UU due to the really unique role it plays. Countering many physical fighting types, physical dragon types, physical bug types, and physical dark types is really cool.

    Gardevoir: It would have probably raised a few tiers even if it didn't get a mega, but it's looking to be pretty cool. Good speed and godlike Sp. Attack allow it to go offensive even without something like a Life Orb or Scarf, and things like Wish, Will o wisp, and great special bulk allow it to be supportive too (while still hitting like a truck). Really good.

    Mawile: Like Gardy, I suspect it might have raised a tier or two even without its mega (Mawile with pure steel typing wasn't too bad in NU despite what its stats suggested), but it appreciates the mega form even more than Gardevoir does. I don't think I need to broadcast this thing's absurd power again. Sucker Punch partially makes up for its bad speed, Pain Split gives it recovery if it needs it, Intimidate, etc.

    Togekiss: Not as obviously good as the new megas I just mentioned, but still pretty good. It can abuse flinches even better now with the addition of Sticky Web, making faster Pokemon vulnerable to being flinched. It also has some cool stuff that comes with being a flying type, like being immune to ground. It also has high physical bulk compared to Gardevoir and Florges, while having a great support movepool that Mawile and Azumarill lack.

    Eh. That's it for now. Quite frankly I'm too lazy to go into more detailed research regarding Pokemon I'm not that interested in. I'm interested in Mawile, but I didn't need research to tell me that it's amazing. Perhaps I should look into certain damage calculations regarding Wigglytuff soon, I'm curious to see how well it could take moves like, say, Mismagius's +1 Thunderbolt, among other things.


    Quote Originally Posted by Splash_King View Post
    No.

    Belch is the Special version of Gunk Shot, which sacrifices your item in exchange for 10% more accuracy. It's a bad move usable only on Pokes that are using a berry for their set regardless. .
    30 minutes prior to posting that I was under the impression that Belch was another crappy 1-time use move like Natural Gift, so finding out this wasn't the case caused me to briefly overrate it. I was briefly excited that Swalot might have a decent niche, but at work I had to accept the fact that a fairly accurate 120 BP poison-attack simply isn't worth giving up Black Sludge or Leftovers. Swalot with Belch looks pretty damn gimmicky, but maybe it's better than it seems. Key word being maybe, it'll probably end up still being a gimmick. It'll definitely be using it in game sometime, of course. It's a fun move even if it's not competitively good in most situations (maybe on Salac Seviper). I <3 it.
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    Maybe if Belch had perfect accuracy, guaranteed Poison (how the 'Karp does a poisonous belch from somethin' like a Garbodor not have ANY chance to inflict Poison?) and higher BP than Gunk Shot it'd be usable on a gimmick set competitively.

    Sylveon wholly bests Clefable, Wigglytuff and Mr. Mime just by havin' better stats. Togetic gets reliable recovery, better bulk (for either spectrum), and a superior moveset overall, but Sylveon can actually hit things back. Hard. Wouldn't expect the two to play similar roles, 'sides bein' a go-to Sponge.

    Granbull is ugly. Sylveon is cute. No comparison.

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    Mr. Mime outclasses it as a (somewhat) fast attacker, but I doubt Mr. Mime will be all that good as a fast attacker anyway. Granbull outclasses it as a physical tank, because let's be honest, 95/65 isn't horrible, but it's still not good in any sense of the word. 90/75 may not be much better but Intimidate goes a long way. Sylveon will probably be better in a supporting role than everything you mentioned in your post, yes.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    Granbull outclasses it in an ugly contest.
    fix'd

    Stupid dogs.
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