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    What's this amazing confirmation you have, anyway? No offense, but I don't recall you being that much into competitive Pokemon. If your argument is that it preforms poorly, yes, it isn't a good Pokemon, I agree.




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    The fact that I'm not competitive is proof in itself. I've faced casuals using it, and it fails to do anything besides waste 1 PP of an opponent's move.

    More in-depth, I faced my cousin using it. My cousin doesn't EV train, disregards natures, stat-boosting moves, Egg moves, and IVs, and she doesn't even know most of what type is good against what type. My Jolly Ariados, EV'd in Speed, with Sticky Web, Toxic Spikes, and priority Sucker Punch, held nothing against her. Every time I sent it out first, it died first. And no, it's not just luck, I asked her to switch around her Pokemon's order so that a different one hit Ariados every time. OHKO'd. Every. Single. Time. If I can't even get out a Sticky Web, what good is the spider? And Focus Sash might stall for it, but one Sticky Web isn't worth an entirely team slot. Alright maybe it is with Sucker Punch's priority afterwards but I still don't think it's good at all.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tragonight View Post
    My Jolly Ariados, EV'd in Speed
    There's your first problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tragonight View Post
    one Sticky Web isn't worth an entirely team slot.
    Eeeh, it can be, depending on your team and the options available. Ariados doesn't do much besides set up Sticky Web and die. But if it lacks competition in the lower tiers, it has a few things over some of the other weak users of the move. It has better typing and attack power than Masquerain, as well as priority. Yeah, Masquerain is better in general, but Ariados does have a few perks. It beats Kricketune in basically every way but speed, which is pretty much the only thing the poor beetle has going for it. Unlike Shuckle it can actually attack, which is useful.

    If you're playing NU and you need Sticky Web for a strategy you're using, depending on what's available in the tier, Ariados might not be a bad choice to set it up. Does Sticky Web, Baton Pass, Sucker Punch, Megahorn etc make it a good Pokemon? Far from it. But I believe that it's enough to not be classified as "horrible", at least in NU and possibly RU. Really doubtful about RU.




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    baton pass ariados lol

    How the hell does that strategy work out?




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    Meh, it doesn't seem like a good idea. It was a good idea in Gen IV when you could Baton Pass Spider Web, but it doesn't work anymore. I guess you could use Agility and Baton Pass that, but if you're using Ariados you're using it for Sticky Web, which already helps with whatever speed issues your team may have. It also requires a fast EV spread which you just saw me criticize. Not entirely sure why I mentioned it.

    It could see use on one of those weird Baton Pass teams, I guess, but there are better Pokemon for that job. Especially when passing speed boosts makes Sticky Web largely pointless.

    Actually, thinking about it some more, it can be useful to get a frail Pokemon into battle, since Ariados will usually be going last. It would get competition for a moveslot, naturally. gets you away from mega gengar if you decide to use ariados in ubers too
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    Ariados isn't necessarily bulky enough to be able to pass off any stat boosts. And yes, the Speed issue I mentioned earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    Actually, thinking about it some more, it can be useful to get a frail Pokemon into battle, since Ariados will usually be going last. It would get competition for a moveslot, naturally.
    Again, the bad defense. My other EV for Ariados was HP, which failed as horribly as its Speed did.

    Ariados is a frail Pokemon in itself, only good for Sticky Web and Sucker Punch. The latter not even being that good on it.
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    I was thinking it would be useful if you weren't sure whether or not the opponent is going to attack Ariados. They could set up on it if they can take Megahorns. In such a scenario, you might not want to leave in Ariados if you're afraid of them setting up, but at the same time, you don't want to switch one of your more valuable Pokemon into the line of fire. Use Baton Pass, and if Ariados dies, well, it dies. You can then proceed to bring in a counter unscathed. If they set up, you can also bring in a counter unscathed, while retaining the spider's life.

    It's nothing amazing, but it's indeed worth consideration.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    gets you away from mega gengar if you decide to use ariados in ubers too
    Bleh, Sucker Punch is pretty nice against (Mega) Gengar. Not sure how Baton Pass can help besides running away.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tragonight View Post
    Bleh, Sucker Punch is pretty nice against (Mega) Gengar. Not sure how Baton Pass can help besides running away.
    That was a joke tho

    I think the question is more about how much other Sticky Web users outclass it. Obviously Galvantula and Smeargle do, but I think all of them save Kricketune are generally better options. It depends on what tiers the other ones end up in. Galvantula and Smeargle will probably fall into OU, I'd think. Leavanny will probably be RU or UU. Shuckle might be RU or UU as well, but I think Leavanny is more likely. I feel like Masquerain, Kricketune, Ariados, and possibly Shuckle will be the NU Sticky Web users. Assuming this is true, I think, while outclassed to some extent by Masquerain and Shuckle, it has enough perks to warrant its use if you want to use Sticky Web.

    As for how good Sticky Web itself is, I've heard mixed opinions, and I don't have much of an opinion myself. It's obviously useful, but I'm not exactly sure HOW useful it is at the moment. Especially in NU, which obviously hasn't been really established yet.




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    Shuckle is definitely a better option for Sticky Web, what with Sturdy ensuring it at least gets one out.

    You're right about Galvantula and Smeargle, mostly because Galvantula generally has a wider movepool (don't even talk about Smeargle's) and a good typing. Of course Smeargle might make it to OU, as long as it's holding a Focus Sash.

    Focus Sash is used more in X/Y, it seems. I never thought it would be this useful. I find myself putting it on several Pokemon at times too.




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