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    Quote Originally Posted by Tragonight View Post
    Shuckle is definitely a better option for Sticky Web, what with Sturdy ensuring it at least gets one out.
    Contrary is better, imo, it's really hard to OHKO Shuckle with an unboosted attack. You might as well get the Evasion boosts from Defog, and potential defense/sp. defense boosts from Shadow Ball and co. You can also use Shell Smash with it, if you want.

    But yeah, I agree that Shuckle is the better option over Ariados usually. Same with Masquerain, to a lesser extent.




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    Oh, right. My bad. I mistook Shuckle's defenses for 150 or something like that.

    I think it'll gain more from Power Trick, if it has Sturdy. Unless you're planning for it to be really tanky, then I guess you could use Contrary/Shell Smash.



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    Power Trick Shuckle is ridiculously hard to use, but it would be hilarious if successful.

    Apparently, if a sleeping Pokemon in the Battle Maison has Heal Bell, the AI will have it use the move until it wakes up. Was rather amused to see a Miltank wake up only to use Heal Bell.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tragonight View Post
    Trust me on this one.
    lol @ trusting the opinion of a non-competitive anything

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    My cousin doesn't EV train, disregards natures, stat-boosting moves, Egg moves, and IVs, and she doesn't even know most of what type is good against what type. My Jolly Ariados, EV'd in Speed, with Sticky Web, Toxic Spikes, and priority Sucker Punch, held nothing against her. Every time I sent it out first, it died first. And no, it's not just luck, I asked her to switch around her Pokemon's order so that a different one hit Ariados every time. OHKO'd. Every. Single. Time.
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    One Sticky Web isn't worth an entirely team slot.
    Incorrect. Depending on an opponent's team, Sticky Web can literally let you run away with a win.

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    My Jolly Ariados, EV'd in Speed
    There's your first problem.
    I told 'em...

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    Baton Passing Spider Web doesn't work anymore.
    ... Why'd Gamefreak nullify that? Is it broken for Baton Pass chains or somethin'?

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    Galvantula and Smeargle will probably fall into OU
    I doubt Smeargle will ever drop below BL. As for Galvantula, probably.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tragonight View Post
    Shuckle is definitely a better option for Sticky Web, what with Sturdy ensuring it at least gets one out.

    You're right about Galvantula and Smeargle, mostly because Galvantula generally has a wider movepool (don't even talk about Smeargle's) and a good typing. Of course Smeargle might make it to OU, as long as it's holding a Focus Sash.

    Focus Sash is used more in X/Y, it seems.
    Actually, Sash was used most often in the Generation it's introduction (DP). There was an old trend of "suicide leads", whose sole purpose was to get up Stealth Rock and then either die, or get off one other attack before dyin' (shoutout to Azelf). Then there were suicide leads like Aerodactyl which used their Speed and Taunt to prevent the opponent from gettin' up their own Rocks, then settin' Rocks up itself 'fore dyin'. The entire metagame was based around it for years. Pretty much every offensive team had a suicide lead, 'less they had a Poke with a free moveslot for SR by coincidence.

    Back to the point I made earlier, if Rocks are worth a Poke dyin' for, then surely Sticky Web is as well.

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    I've always been somewhat confused why suicide setters are so popular even now. I mean, I get that they get hazards up really well, but they tend to be deathfodder otherwise. I understand that can be worth it, but I feel like most teams would be better off with a less specialized hazard setter. Something that sets up hazards almost as reliably, but does other things to notable effect. Like Ferrothorn.

    Meh, I'm probably underestimating the strategy at least a little.

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    ... Why'd Gamefreak nullify that? Is it broken for Baton Pass chains or somethin'?
    Possibly for no good reason (read: Gems in Gen VI getting reduced to a 30% boost). If I recall, only Ariados and Smeargle could do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    I've always been somewhat confused why suicide setters are so popular even now.
    Because Smeargle usually puts somethin' to sleep as well, and popular spinners aren't made to last (lack of recovery moves; ohai Excadrill). Also, momentum.

    But 'ey, I've seen plenty of TTar 'n Ferrothorn with Rocks in competitive replays.

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    Gems in Gen VI getting reduced to a 30% boost
    Guess they got sick'a all the Pokes holdin' gems in BW VGC... ._.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    I've always been somewhat confused why suicide setters are so popular even now. I mean, I get that they get hazards up really well, but they tend to be deathfodder otherwise. I understand that can be worth it, but I feel like most teams would be better off with a less specialized hazard setter. Something that sets up hazards almost as reliably, but does other things to notable effect. Like Ferrothorn.
    I had a team consisting of three suicide setters. And then Moxie Gyarados (after getting a Dragon Dance boost) convinced me to drop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tragonight View Post
    three suicide setters
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    i was doing good in the beginning but then i remembered that gyarados was a flying type



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tragonight View Post
    three suicide setters
    lol'd hard

    Also beware of (some) offensive Krookodile and MoxieMence.

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