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    Reading some guy trying to argue in favor of Hyper Beam Greninja on Smogon.

    ._.;

    people, this has been common knowledge since generation two. HYPER BEAM AND VARIANTS OF IT SUCK. Except maaaaybe on certain Porygon-Z sets, that's about all I can think of.



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    Hyper Beam on a Pixilate Sylveon was able to one-shot my Uber Yveltal.

    But yeah it sucks horribly on Greninja.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    Reading some guy trying to argue in favor of Hyper Beam Greninja on Smogon.

    ._.;

    people, this has been common knowledge since generation two. HYPER BEAM AND VARIANTS OF IT SUCK. Except maaaaybe on certain Porygon-Z sets, that's about all I can think of.
    Greninja is quick to die. A suicidal Hyper Beam could actually be worth it in certain circumstances, though I'm not sure if there's anythin' you'd actually want to hit with said attack. Even then I doubt it's ever worth a moveslot anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tragonight View Post
    Hyper Beam on a Pixilate Sylveon was able to one-shot my Uber Yveltal.

    But yeah it sucks horribly on Greninja.
    252+ SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Yveltal: 380-450 (96.6 - 114.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

    Quote Originally Posted by Splash_King View Post
    Greninja is quick to die. A suicidal Hyper Beam could actually be worth it in certain circumstances, though I'm not sure if there's anythin' you'd actually want to hit with said attack. Even then I doubt it's ever worth a moveslot anyways.
    It's not. Eh, maybe in 3 vs 3 with a Focus Sash, as it would partially remove the threat of being set up on...then again, a bunch of other things in 3 vs 3 hold sash's as well.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    Reading some guy trying to argue in favor of Hyper Beam Greninja on Smogon.

    ._.;

    people, this has been common knowledge since generation two. HYPER BEAM AND VARIANTS OF IT SUCK. Except maaaaybe on certain Porygon-Z sets, that's about all I can think of.
    Not a master on Greninja but I do use one. Hyper Beam will get him killed 90% of the time. His lack of bulk makes him a glass cannon plus if you are already running Ice Beam and Dark Pulse, Hyper Beam would give him another weakness to fighting. There are going to be throwing a lot of Fighting moves your way and it only takes one to put Greninja down. Plus the immunities of the Normal Type are worthless against a Ghost (Although I am still not sure if he changes type from an immune attack). Also the coverage granted by another move in the place of Hyper Beam would more than make up for Hyper Beam's damage used in the right circumstance.


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    The issue isn't as much that it'll get him killed. The issue is that you're giving your opponent a 100% free turn. They can send in Dragonite to set up Dragon Dance and sweep your team. They can send in Talonflame, use Swords Dance, and sweep your team. They can send in MegaPinsir and nab a Swords Dance boost, and -- you guessed it -- sweep your team.

    Dying sucks too tho.

    In other news, Bulbapedia and other sources are not giving me a clear answer on how much HP Cheek Pouch heals upon consuming a berry. It's only viable on Dedenne, which would explain the apparent lack of interest on the subject, but I'm still a bit curious. I guess I'll have to test it myself tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neosquid View Post
    viable Dedenne
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    Not a master on Greninja but I do use one. Hyper Beam will get him killed 90% of the time.
    The idea would be t' use it prior to him dyin' regardless, and let 'em outright KO somethin' rather than just cripple it.

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    Hyper Beam will get him killed 99% of the time.
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    Hyper Beam would give him another weakness to fighting.
    Greninja struggles just to survive resisted CC (if only it got Shadow Ball...). Might not even be able t' take a neutral 252/+Atk Mach Punch from Conkeldurr, definitely not after just a tad of residual damage. Greninja is a glass cannon indeed, and shouldn't be focused on choosing attacks based on resistance changes. Situations where ya should are few and far between.

    On that note, I wonder if HP Ground is worth usin' solely for the Electric immunity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash_King View Post
    On that note, I wonder if HP Ground is worth usin' solely for the Electric immunity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash_King View Post
    On that note, I wonder if HP Ground is worth usin' solely for the Electric immunity...
    ... If a team already has a Spiker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash_King View Post
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    I said I was curious, I never said it was anything close to viable. It doesn't even get a special fairy attack. If that's not an insult, I don't know what is. Don't ask me how a fairy type that learns flash can't use Dazzling Gleam...
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