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    Quote Originally Posted by wiiman92
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    Quote Originally Posted by LIK
    Honestly? So you think it is a coincidence that Fox, Falco, Marth and Shiek are the most used characters in tournaments? That GaW, IC, and Ness are hardly every used?
    They're more popular or maybe easier to get used to, but with practice I believe all characters can be equally good.

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    Regardless of whether there 'stats' are even or not, there moves won't be. Combinations will be found that Sakurai had not planned on (see: waveshine) thus making the game unfair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.S.
    Quote Originally Posted by LevesqueIsKing
    Honestly? So you think it is a coincidence that Fox, Falco, Marth and Shiek are the most used characters in tournaments? That GaW, IC, and Ness are hardly every used?
    They're more popular or maybe easier to get used to, but with practice I believe all characters can be equally good.
    I would have to agree with SS.. I think Fox, et al are more popular because they are easier to use compared to GaW or Ness. But it doesn't make them worse characters overall. Being good with GaW is more of a challenge that many people take on. And an expert with GaW who can minimize his weaknesses and maximize on his strengths would do fine against an expert with Fox or Sheik. But that's just my opinion..

    Kind of like how people were saying (a few months back) that they would try using the Wiimote over the GC controller for the added challenge.

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    Oh please

    Fox is used because its easy to string combos together. Ness isn't used because his recovery is GARBAGE. I can't remember the last time I saw a Ness successfully recover. Game and Watch is simply slow. His dodges are horrible.

    If it's just combos that players find/make up then it is, once again, the players and not the characters they are using.
    So, lets say that in Brawl one of Falcon's combos is overlooked. Falcon can do a Dthrow into a Falcon Punch and it always hits, no matter what. No matter what the enemy does or what percentage they're at, it always hits, and it almost always kills them.

    That means I'm a godly smash player, right? Wrong.

    The difficulty and effectiveness of a combo are not always equally correlated, that is my point. If you spend any time using Fox, you'll find that a waveshine is difficult, but not too difficult, yet, it is incredibly difficult for your opponent to counter.

    EDIT: Its been a while since I had a good debate. Cheers.

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    However, based on what you said, one can definitely argue that the mere fact that Fox or Falcon even have these combos makes them easier characters to use.

    The fact that Ness had an awful recover makes him a more difficult character to use. That being said, I have plenty of friends who play with Ness and use him quite well.

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    You are saying the exact same thing as me, just changing the words.

    "makes him a more difficult character to use"=He isn't as good.

    Ness is a great character...as long as he doesn't get knocked off the stage, because then its virtually an auto-ko for his opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LevesqueIsKing
    You are saying the exact same thing as me, just changing the words.

    "makes him a more difficult character to use"=He isn't as good.

    Ness is a great character...as long as he doesn't get knocked off the stage, because then its virtually an auto-ko for his opponent.
    None of those statements are true. Just because he's hard to use doesn't mean he's not good. it means it's harder to get good with him, but it is entirely possible. PS its not too hard to get Ness to recover. the people who you know who use ness are probably just 14 and impatient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LevesqueIsKing
    You are saying the exact same thing as me, just changing the words.

    "makes him a more difficult character to use"=He isn't as good.

    Ness is a great character...as long as he doesn't get knocked off the stage, because then its virtually an auto-ko for his opponent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LevesqueIsKing
    You are saying the exact same thing as me, just changing the words.

    "makes him a more difficult character to use"=He isn't as good.

    Ness is a great character...as long as he doesn't get knocked off the stage, because then its virtually an auto-ko for his opponent.
    By saying he's a more difficult character to use means he's more of a challenge.. Same as why people like playing games on Expert Mode. It requires more time and effort to beat, and because of this, some would argue that it's better than Normal.

    It seems like a stretch, but it can be applied to characters like Ness. He's harder to use, but if you came across someone who can beat you while using your best character, you would undoubtedly give him props.

    And who knows.. maybe as you progress through the Subspace, one of the later levels might require to use Lucas/Ness.. and it may be harder.. but that's why it would be a later level as opposed to the first level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samXcor3
    None of those statements are true.
    ...yeah...they are
    Quote Originally Posted by samXcor3
    Just because he's hard to use doesn't mean he's not good. it means it's harder to get good with him, but it is entirely possible.
    You can only get so good with a character. Certain characters have more of a potential then others. Some characters have major weaknesses (having slow attacks, an essential attack leaving them wide open, etc.) while some characters do not. Skill can be improved, but character-specific weaknesses cannot, and they will always hold that character back.
    Quote Originally Posted by samXcor3
    PS its not too hard to get Ness to recover.
    Are we talking about the same attack? He sits there for over a second just begging you to spike him. Go onto SmashBoards and try to tell them that tiers do not exist, you'll get flamed to hell.
    Quote Originally Posted by samXcor3
    the people who you know who use ness are probably just 14 and impatient.
    You used that exact same comment yesterday, in my defence.

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