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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty View Post
    Okay.

    If I am mistaken, I think that people have the desire to win. With that in mind, people would all be Meta Knight online. What you've done is either fed idiots who didn't know about Meta Knight, or what you're saying is untrue. If wavedashing was included in this game, then obviously everyone would be doing it. It's just human instinct to go for the better character. I've noticed that there are a range of people playing different characters online, and I'm assuming that a lot of them are chosen for aesthetics. Example being, I find a lot of people playing Link because "lololol, yaeyz, hero of time. That's me." and not many playing Peach because... She's a girl and doesn't have gigantic boobs. Meta Knight doesn't seem too disgustingly ugly to play for anyone, so people would pick up on this. They haven't.

    Long paragraph for me. :/

    I don't know anything about "technical" moves in Brawl because I just play anyone with my style of fighting. Generally, I switch around characters because I can't tell there difference. Tiers don't exist to me, but that's a completely different argument. It's all to do with the skill of the player. However, a game can be easily won by noobery in Brawl because it's a lot more user friendly than Melee. I miss Melee far too much, the speed and competition were high.

    Brawl has constantly been tested, and Meta Knight was one of the earlier characters to be added. Nintendo have made the decision on whether he is a good character or not, obviously, seeing as they did include them. You're taking it way too overboard. No one would deliberately want something bad in their game (unless you're THQ or something). The professionals know what they're doing, they know how to debug a game.

    So, why don't you play Meta Knight?
    What you say is true--people have the desire to win.

    But why use a character who's chances of winning with a certain amount of skill are the highest, and by far?

    Take this example: Imagine Jigglypuff, as heavy as snake. Imagine her moves were twice as fast and powerful. Imagine that his crazed mess was put into the game. With such an unrealistic combination of "stats", including one of the best recoveries in the game, this character is not suitable to use. Everyone would use this mistake if they just "wanted to win", and avoid picking all other characters if they wanted to keep those chances high. Thus, a "Jigglypuff-less" brawl would be the most fair and only be fair. Similarly, Meta Knight has a unrealistic combination of stats that make him unbalanced in every way possible. Not as much as that Jigglypuff I mentioned earlier, but both have unrealistic advantages that make them unfair compared to all other characters in the game.

    By the way, I also don't believe in "Tiers"...well, sort of. Rather, the accuracy of the tier list is not always flawless. It is true that you need to learn how to be good with each character, I've beaten a pro Snake user with Captain Falcon twice in a row (I probably got lucky, and my style of play was probably a weakness to his style of play somehow, but nonetheless I DID do it).
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    You think that Nintendo can't design a character how they want. It's videogames, if they had unrealistic traits, then they can put it in their if they want. It doesn't mean that they are broken because they fulfill their criteria.

    People want to win. They will get good at that character. It's logical!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty View Post
    You think that Nintendo can't design a character how they want. It's videogames, if they had unrealistic traits, then they can put it in their if they want. It doesn't mean that they are broken because they fulfill their criteria.

    People want to win. They will get good at that character. It's logical!
    Yes, people desire to win. So why not pick that Jigglypuff all the time? That'll be easy, JP vs. JP at all tournaments, highest tournament ranking Jigglypuff. Because it would be again, a crazed mess. My main message I'm stating here is that Meta Knight is broken, unrealistic, the makers went too far and yes--they didn't realize the reality of what they did (because they are human and imperfect). I don't see wht this is so hard to understand.
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    A character can only be broken if the majority of the people (over 50&#37 believe that he or she is broken. If this is the case, the character is automatically deemed “broken”.

    I stopped reading here.

    YOU FAIL (most simply put). You're just another cry baby. Thinking that if majority deems a character broken then he's broken is just outrageous. Even if 100% of the people thought he was broken, it doesn't mean he is broken. I play a variety of games and I always hear "wahh this hero is broken" but then when you go to a higher playing level everyone is like "omg lol why would you pick that garbage character"?

    I came back out of temptation, and wow, it just gets worse. Your closing statement completely contradicts your opening, the stats said 70% said he wasn't broken. Now, going off of your sage advice, if 50% think he is broken then he is, then the inverse must be true, if 50% believe he is not broken, he isn't. So unless you typed or I read something wrong, your whole essay just folded upon itself.

    Also, my second paragraph in this post was right, the higher level people don't find him broken. This just shows why they are higher level, and you're not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sovieto View Post
    A character can only be broken if the majority of the people (over 50%) believe that he or she is broken. If this is the case, the character is automatically deemed “broken”.

    I stopped reading here.

    YOU FAIL (most simply put). You're just another cry baby. Thinking that if majority deems a character broken then he's broken is just outrageous. Even if 100% of the people thought he was broken, it doesn't mean he is broken. I play a variety of games and I always hear "wahh this hero is broken" but then when you go to a higher playing level everyone is like "omg lol why would you pick that garbage character"?

    I came back out of temptation, and wow, it just gets worse. Your closing statement completely contradicts your opening, the stats said 70% said he wasn't broken. Now, going off of your sage advice, if 50% think he is broken then he is, then the inverse must be true, if 50% believe he is not broken, he isn't. So unless you typed or I read something wrong, your whole essay just folded upon itself.

    Also, my second paragraph in this post was right, the higher level people don't find him broken. This just shows why they are higher level, and you're not.
    Ahh Sovieto we meet again. Long time no talk!

    You didn't think when I made my point like I asked you to. It's a simple concept but if you don't think, you can make it sound like anything you want. Think it through again: Let's assume there are one million brawlers out there. Eighty percent of them (800,000) feel that Meta knight is broken. If the character was NOT broken, people would not be complaining so much about that character. But these people have a right to complain, especially when the majority of their peers feel the same way! Why do they feel the same way? Because they have seen it with their own eyes, there is nothing to hide like the media likes to do to support their own agenda. So don't go on telling me "well when the majority of the people rule over something like a law or the majority of the people dislike a certain minotirty group, it's not always right!" In Brawl, it is a matter of opinion: no bias, nothing behind the scenes, just straigtforward. As long as the numbers are past 50% (meaning the majority of the players believe so) then that character is deemed broken--it is a given in the equation.

    Here, if you're still confused you better read on:

    Let's say that 90% of all Americans believe that soldiers walking into their home for (free) food and rest is wrong after being exposed to (this is theoretical, so yes, all 100%) it (ie experienced this). Is it considered right ? Why are they complaining? Should it be stopped? Is it logical to pass a law that will forbid this from happening? What you're saying is "even if 100% of the people believe that ice is cold, it doesn't necessarily mean that the ice is cold, as it is just a matter of opinion". While it's true that the ice being cold is an opinion, it should not be treated as "irrelevant because it's just an opinion".

    You read something, made quick judgements, and "stopped reading", when in reality you are the one completely dumbfounded.

    Nope, I am not a crybaby, I have beaten many MKs because my skill level was far greater than theirs, even though Meta Knight requires little skill to master, in my opinion.

    I also gave a logical response as to why 70% (wow!) of the people who "really matter" voted against banning their OWN mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sovieto View Post
    the higher level people don't find him broken.
    You're correct & OP is wrong.

    The people who win IRL tournaments are people who actually treat brawl as a fighting game and PLAY2WIN. Technically Snake could always beat Metaknight (or any lightweight for that matter); he just has to be holding a grenade at ALL times so it's virtually impossible to approach. The ability to attack while shielding is probably the most broken thing in brawl period, and Snake can do that. What I'm trying to say is that if you think someone is using a 'cheap' tactic, just counter it with an equally cheap tactic. Nobody in Brawl is REALLY broken. lmao

    All the 'high/top-tier" characters have their strengths over the rest of the cast (or other specific high/top characters, which puts them up there), but Brawl is one of the most balanced games out there when you compare it to real vs. fighting games where there truly are broken tourney banned characters. Even a lot of characters that aren't considered broken in other fighting games still have 0-death combos. Be happy you're into such a casual game as Brawl where just one simple mistake won't cost you the match.

    BTW, if anyone really thinks Metaknight is broken, the smartest thing for them to do would be picking him in tournaments and beating everyone else with him, not complaining about it in the internets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPGMasterTurk91 View Post
    Ahh Sovieto we meet again. Long time no talk!

    You didn't think when I made my point like I asked you to. It's a simple concept but if you don't think, you can make it sound like anything you want. Think it through again: Let's assume there are one million brawlers out there. Eighty percent of them (800,000) feel that Meta knight is broken. If the character was NOT broken, people would not be complaining so much about that character. But these people have a right to complain, especially when the majority of their peers feel the same way! Why do they feel the same way? Because they have seen it with their own eyes, there is nothing to hide like the media likes to do to support their own agenda. So don't go on telling me "well when the majority of the people rule over something like a law or the majority of the people dislike a certain minotirty group, it's not always right!" In Brawl, it is a matter of opinion: no bias, nothing behind the scenes, just straigtforward. As long as the numbers are past 50% (meaning the majority of the players believe so) then that character is deemed broken--it is a given in the equation.

    Here, if you're still confused you better read on:

    Let's say that 90% of all Americans believe that soldiers walking into their home for (free) food and rest is wrong after being exposed to (this is theoretical, so yes, all 100%) it (ie experienced this). Is it considered right ? Why are they complaining? Should it be stopped? Is it logical to pass a law that will forbid this from happening? What you're saying is "even if 100% of the people believe that ice is cold, it doesn't necessarily mean that the ice is cold, as it is just a matter of opinion".

    You read something, made quick judgements, and "stopped reading", when in reality you are the one completely dumbfounded.

    Nope, I am not a crybaby, I have beaten many MKs because my skill level was far greater than theirs, even though Meta Knight requires little skill to master, in my opinion.

    I also gave a logical response as to why 70% (wow!) of the people who "really matter" voted against banning their OWN mistake.
    Sigh, thinking that if majority rules then what they believe in is correct is beyond an ignorant mindset. Whether you're talking about a video game character or the Earth being round and revolving around the Sun, thinking that what people "believe" is correct, not what is fact and can be proven, is a horrible way to go about life, you must be Catholic.

    If he is easy to master then so be it, that makes him an easy to master character, not broken. That's probably where the difference between the higher level players and you come in place. The higher level players have mastered other characters, you, being less experienced, see MK and flip out because someone who has little experience or less than you can do good.

    And are you saying MK is the higher level player's mistake??? Because I'm sure you didn't say the poll was by the video game designers, who's mistake it could only be.

    I've been told SSBB is a far more complex game than Street Fighter 4 by many people (kekeke), so if this is true you should be able to find a counter to MK instead of wasting time posting on forums to rally opinions that accomplish nothing.

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    Be happy you're into such a casual game as Brawl where just one simple mistake won't cost you the match.
    HHAhahahah, but everyone on this forum thinks it's the most complex fighting game around!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sovieto View Post
    Sigh, thinking that if majority rules then what they believe in is correct is beyond an ignorant mindset. Whether you're talking about a video game character or the Earth being round and revolving around the Sun, thinking that what people "believe" is correct, not what is fact and can be proven, is a horrible way to go about life, you must be Catholic.

    If he is easy to master then so be it, that makes him an easy to master character, not broken. That's probably where the difference between the higher level players and you come in place. The higher level players have mastered other characters, you, being less experienced, see MK and flip out because someone who has little experience or less than you can do good.

    And are you saying MK is the higher level player's mistake??? Because I'm sure you didn't say the poll was by the video game designers, who's mistake it could only be.

    I've been told SSBB is a far more complex game than Street Fighter 4 by many people (kekeke), so if this is true you should be able to find a counter to MK instead of wasting time posting on forums to rally opinions that accomplish nothing.


    HHAhahahah, but everyone on this forum thinks it's the most complex fighting game around!!!
    But since the majority thinks so it MUST be true <.<
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sovieto View Post
    Sigh, thinking that if majority rules then what they believe in is correct is beyond an ignorant mindset. Whether you're talking about a video game character or the Earth being round and revolving around the Sun, thinking that what people "believe" is correct, not what is fact and can be proven, is a horrible way to go about life, you must be Catholic.

    If he is easy to master then so be it, that makes him an easy to master character, not broken. That's probably where the difference between the higher level players and you come in place. The higher level players have mastered other characters, you, being less experienced, see MK and flip out because someone who has little experience or less than you can do good.

    And are you saying MK is the higher level player's mistake??? Because I'm sure you didn't say the poll was by the video game designers, who's mistake it could only be.

    I've been told SSBB is a far more complex game than Street Fighter 4 by many people (kekeke), so if this is true you should be able to find a counter to MK instead of wasting time posting on forums to rally opinions that accomplish nothing.


    HHAhahahah, but everyone on this forum thinks it's the most complex fighting game around!!!
    I appreciate you checking back and replying with your thought.

    Yet again you misunderstood. Perhaps its my own use of words, or your failure to accept something (where your mind has blocked any chance of accepting something as truth). The fact that you "stopped reading" then jumped to the end shows me that your arguments can only hold so much weight and that this amount is minimal.

    Firstly, I'm not Catholic--your mindset in itself is the ignorant one here for making such faulty accusations, and also generalizing a certain group of people. Shows just how valid your own statements can really be with this sort of bias behind your mindset. I'm really glad you made that quick statement--simple, yet so revealing.

    Secondly, I never stated a general rule that states "if more than 50&#37; of the people believe something to be true, it IS true." Why? Because that's a bogus statement! I did, however, bring to light the more correct version of this statement.

    Here it is again, and I'll use a different example to keep this flowing. Let's say there are 10 million Canadians. Eighty-five percent of all of these Canadians feel that the current law that allows patrol officers to use their driveways (again, this is theoretical, so yes, they all have driveways) at will (that is they can park there even just to have a bite to eat) is unacceptable and a complete burden and that it in fact only serves to harm people instead of helping them. These people came to this conclusion through first-hand experience. What purpose will be served when someone who wants to keep the policy tries to convince these people that this law is fine and that people are just complaining because they want their driveways to themselves at all times. Would it make sense to override this law? If the people do not like it (and since it is a policy that aims to help the people and not a national security concern), does it make sense to keep the law? Or should something more be done to get rid of this nuisance? Since it is a matter of opinion by the people and has surpassed the 50% mark, they should not be subject to the law that was once said will be "accepted by the common people". This is considered A NUISANCE in this society and should be dealt with to suit the people's interests--get rid of the law. Sure, that means no more patrol officers eating doughnuts in your driveway, but you gave the 8.5 million citizens justice. Do you see how this opinion holds more weight than "This food is hot"? It deals with people and real life. Imagine if a mother told you this: "My baby boy only THINKS the water is boiling hot, that's his opinion, so I'm going to continue bathing him with this water that most babies don't feel is hot, even though my son feels it is burning". But the kid believes that the water is hot! So why continue to pour the water on him? Does it make sense? A sensible person would say absolutely not.

    Thus, in this case of SSBB where a character is deemed "unfair, unrealistic, overpowered in all aspects, etc." by the MAJORITY of the people, that character should be treated like so, because the opinion in this case matters as experience is the lead factor here, not numbers.

    Also, my passage's MAIN goal is to make a very clear point: Meta Knight is broken. I want people to realize this. He has advantages no other characters have and an unrealistic combination of "stats" that make him the least beatable and most unrealistic character--and by far.
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