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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MR View Post
    what i don't want to see is an increase in snake
    in my opinion snake is better than mk if played correctly
    That's not an opinion, that's a fact. I would know, I used him for quite some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MR View Post
    as i said before this could cause both bad or good reactions.
    what i don't want to see is an increase in snake
    in my opinion snake is better than mk if played correctly
    Opinions normally can't be wrong, but factually, yours is. -_-; Why do ya think Meta is banned, but Snake isn't?

    As I said, I'd rather see an increase in Snake and all the other Top Tier fighters, than having a 50-50 between Meta and Snake. I still don't know why you think something bad could come from this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MR View Post
    also, how would this effect the tier list?
    a new tier "banned" and all the movements in the tier list?
    I didn't say anything 'bout this affecting the tier list, but now that you mention it, it will. I wouldn't doubt that there's a great character in high or middle that gets utterly destroyed by Meta, but can go toe to toe/has advantageous match-ups with top tiers. With Meta gone, a character or two might move up the tier list.

    Quote Originally Posted by WiiAssasin View Post
    That's not an opinion, that's a fact. I would know, I used him for quite some time.
    That's an opinion. :P

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    You must not underestimate what is a fact.

    Let's try an example: Beethoven > Bieber
    Would you call that fact .... or opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSBfreakCK View Post
    I didn't say anything 'bout this affecting the tier list
    well, i was just asking the question. It was an off "topic" (more like off the tangent we were on) question.

    Quote Originally Posted by WiiAssasin View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by WiiAssasin View Post
    You must not underestimate what is a fact.

    Let's try an example: Beethoven > Bieber
    Would you call that fact .... or opinion?
    Opinion. You can't compare shitty modern faggot-pop to beauteous, quality classical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MR View Post
    well, i was just asking the question. It was an off "topic" (more like off the tangent we were on) question.
    Since that was pertaining to Meta Knight, it's 100% on topic.

    I really am curious though, dude... What bad could possibly come from banning Meta?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSBfreakCK View Post
    Opinion. You can't compare shitty modern faggot-pop to beauteous, quality classical.
    They are both famous musical artists, therefore perfectly comparable!
    Quote Originally Posted by SSBfreakCK
    I really am curious though, dude... What bad could possibly come from banning Meta?
    What good can come from banning MK? All that did is prove that gamers don't want to strive to get better. Banning a character because they suck at fighting him, ha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSBfreakCK View Post
    I really am curious though, dude... What bad could possibly come from banning Meta?

    with mk removed there is an imbalance in the scale
    remove something on one side and there is a huge shift
    we will see a huge shift in the metagame
    it could go bad or good
    but one side needs change to fit the other
    The top tiers now hit S and become overused
    In melee it was Fox, Falco, Jig, and Shiek
    In brawl it could be Diddy, Snake, and Falco
    we will see more pro Diddys, Snakes, and Falcos now
    and they might have to bring mk back in to redress the scales

    MK is interesting. since he has no "bad" match-ups people will use a wide verity of characters to beat him.
    so in one way MK is the reason why there is diversity in Brawl, which is ironic because overuse of one character results in a diversity with all the others.
    But yes the mk ban is a good thing right now but later down the road it might change

    funny thought: what would happen if they put a character like MK in melee under the current melee metagame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WiiAssasin View Post
    They are both famous musical artists, therefore perfectly comparable!
    Famous by vastly different means, in vastly different times, and by vastly different age groups. Uncomparable.

    Quote Originally Posted by WiiAssasin View Post
    What good can come from banning MK? All that did is prove that gamers don't want to strive to get better. Banning a character because they suck at fighting him, ha!
    If that were the truth, I wouldn't be happy about them banning my best main. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MR View Post
    with mk removed there is an imbalance in the scale
    remove something on one side and there is a huge shift
    we will see a huge shift in the metagame
    it could go bad or good
    but one side needs change to fit the other
    The top tiers now hit S and become overused
    In melee it was Fox, Falco, Jig, and Shiek
    In brawl it could be Diddy, Snake, and Falco
    we will see more pro Diddys, Snakes, and Falcos now
    and they might have to bring mk back in to redress the scales
    Ahah, now we're getting to the nitty-gritty discussion. =)

    Meta was the imbalance in the scale. He wasn't S-tier because he was used so damn often, Snake is used nearly the same amount in the pre-ban metagame. He was S-tier because of how he has no disadvantageous match-ups, and his techs and moveset are just far better than every other character's. The metagame is, without a doubt, going to change for the better because there will be more variety, I'd bet a fine sum of cash (if I had a sum of anything at all...) that's what will happen if Meta stays unbanned. I don't know how much or what characters, but usage statistics won't be so consolidated.

    Melee had no S-tier, the top tier characters were all viewed as being the best of the lineup, without any one of them being much better than the rest, unless you're comparing the top of Top tier to the bottom and such.

    I'm also curious what you mean by this "scale"... If you're talking about just usage statistics, they aren't going to be bad as they were previous to the Meta ban. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MR View Post
    MK is interesting. since he has no "bad" match-ups people will use a wide verity of characters to beat him.
    so in one way MK is the reason why there is diversity in Brawl, which is ironic because overuse of one character results in a diversity with all the others.
    But yes the mk ban is a good thing right now but later down the road it might change

    funny thought: what would happen if they put a character like MK in melee under the current melee metagame?
    That's only half of MK; he has an amazing amount of good and fantastic match-ups, too. You can't use a "wide variety" of characters to combat Meta because he has an advantage over roughly 90% of the entire Brawl roster. Through all the years of research and testing, Meta is found to have a "fair" match-up against Pikachu, Diddy, and Falco. Everyone else, he has between a slight to game-breaking advantage. So yeah, people still only use Top Tiers when combating Meta, if not going Meta themselves. I wouldn't call that variety... And if you think that is variety, it's certainly not worth how common Meta himself is.

    If you mean change, as in they take away the ban, I'll be mad, bro. ;_; I never thought it'd happen, but now that it has I'm sure as shit happy about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSBfreakCK View Post
    Famous by vastly different means, in vastly different times, and by vastly different age groups. Uncomparable.
    You've left me no choice. This should open your eyes.

    As you can see, you can compare characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSBfreakCK View Post
    You can't use a "wide variety" of characters to combat Meta because he has an advantage over roughly 90% of the entire Brawl roster. Through all the years of research and testing, Meta is found to have a "fair" match-up against Pikachu, Diddy, and Falco. Everyone else, he has between a slight to game-breaking advantage.

    I still stand on my argument.
    Even though there might be some "even" match-ups, players still use the unorthodox to battle Meta Knight. A shift in common playstyle or a change common counter-pick can hamper a Meta Knight user, and it is that ability to adapt (either the Meta Knight or the other) that separates the professionals from the imitators.

    By having more diverse top tiers, people will use the top tiers to counter the top tiers. This will increase greatly the usage of those characters.
    Instead of countering one character, now you have to counter three. and what better to counter one with one of the three.

    lol lots of 1s and 3s

    Quote Originally Posted by SSBfreakCK View Post
    Meta was the imbalance in the scale. He wasn't S-tier because he was used so damn often, Snake is used nearly the same amount in the pre-ban metagame.
    And of course there is Snake.
    And the number of Snake mains will increase.
    And he will be a worse problem than Meta Knight.
    Meta Knight kept Snake at bay,
    But now the flood gates are open!

    Quote Originally Posted by SSBfreakCK View Post
    I'm also curious what you mean by this "scale"... If you're talking about just usage statistics, they aren't going to be bad as they were previous to the Meta ban. :P
    Ok, the scale was a metaphor. Yes Meta Knight was an imbalance but some brawlers learned to adapt and even it out. With the removel of Meta Knight we just threw the metagame out of balance again. And when it balances out...
    it could be worse than before the ban.

    META Knight, METAgame, METAphor lol

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