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    Quote Originally Posted by Redreavus View Post
    I could personally care less about Jigglypuff, seeing how its popularity has waned in recent years even in Japan (to me it's been irrelevant to the franchise since the end of the Kanto arc in the anime). It does have a slight chance of reappearing thanks to her fairy typing making her somewhat relevant to the Pokemon franchise as a whole, but that wouldn't affect her game play in Smash Bros. at all. I don't think Jigglypuff gaining a new typing is going to help it fight Greninja in Smash Bros. anytime soon.
    I think you're missing the real reason Jigglypuff has a good chance of coming back. Jiggs has been in since 64 and obtained "Veteran status." That reason alone is the best reason for Jigglypuff to come back. However, I do agree that Jigglypuff has become irrelevant and should be replaced for the Pokemon franchise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redreavus View Post
    Well, I haven't been on here after the Smash direct, but I'm quite pleased with what they announced. Time to voice my thoughts about the characters that probably nobody cares about.
    You pretty much summed up my posts:
    http://www.wiichat.com/forum/smash-b...ml#post1273682
    http://www.wiichat.com/forum/smash-b...ml#post1273716
    http://www.wiichat.com/forum/smash-b...ml#post1273833
    http://www.wiichat.com/forum/smash-b...ml#post1269279

    Quote Originally Posted by Redreavus View Post
    For characters they announced the return of Yoshi (a buffed one), seperate character slots for ZSS and Sheik (which is nice since I usually only play as Sheik when I play as Zelda/Shiek in Brawl/Melee), and the fact that Charizard is its own Pokemon separate from Red (akin to Project M) and the addition of Greninja (with promotional artwork by Ken Sugimori to boot).

    Seeing how there's a discussion about Pokemon reps, I figure I'd throw in my 2 cents (or whatever currency you people use) about it I personally don't see a grass type Pokemon as a rep. for the Pokemon franchise (perhaps the return of Ivysaur, but that'd be odd if they didn't bring back Squirtle to represent the Kanto starter trio, but Greninja would stick out like a sore thumb), the only grass type starter I can really see being there is the Treecko evolutionary line (Bulbasaur, Chikorita and Turtwig's evolutionary lines would probably end up having similar playstyles to Ivysaur, and the inclusion of Snivy as a Pokeball makes Serperior being playable extremely redundant. And Bowser makes Chesnaught redundant). And looking at the good grass types in the Pokemon franchise, it's not likely that Ferrothorn or Virizion are going to be playable anytime soon. Maybe Breloom, but I don't think it's popular enough to be in Smash. Also, if you slow down the Greninjazard trailer you can see Zoroark as one of the Pokemon coming out of the Pokeballs, which pretty much disconfirms the speculation of Zoroark being playable. I'm personally all for Mewtwo returning to Smash Bros. Sakurai even mentioned at last year's E3 that he and Iwata would 'consider it'. However, I could personally care less about Jigglypuff, seeing how its popularity has waned in recent years even in Japan (to me it's been irrelevant to the franchise since the end of the Kanto arc in the anime). It does have a slight chance of reappearing thanks to her fairy typing making her somewhat relevant to the Pokemon franchise as a whole, but that wouldn't affect her game play in Smash Bros. at all. I don't think Jigglypuff gaining a new typing is going to help it fight Greninja in Smash Bros. anytime soon.
    I agree with Captain about the Grass starter. Charizard replaced Pokemon Trainer. Greninja (imo) took the Pokémon villain spot.

    And if you look carefully there is a super effective triangle already.
    Charizard beats Lucario
    Lucario beats Greninja
    Greninja beats Charizard

    Quote Originally Posted by Redreavus View Post
    Seeing how Waluigi is back as an assist trophy, I'm going to assume that Wario is going to be a) playable or b) demoted to an assist trophy. I don't really think characters like Jimmy or Mona would fit into the Smash universe as playable characters, so it'll most likely be Wario representing his own franchise again.
    About Wario there is more evidence that he is in already, and that is the Wario logo when they showed the assist trophies. No other franchise without playable characters or stages have a logo (well they just have the smash logo).

    Quote Originally Posted by Redreavus View Post
    In the light of Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, they could include Dixie Kong or Cranky Kong as additional playable characters, seeing how inconsistent the antagonists have been in the DK franchise recently. Dixie even has leftover data of her in Brawl, so they probably already have a moveset thought out for her. However, I think this is unlikely since DK and Diddy are the only prominent characters in the series.
    All them Crock enemies in Smash Run suggests King K. Rool

    Quote Originally Posted by Redreavus View Post
    I'm a bit disappointed to see that Lyn and Tiki won't be playable in the new Smash Bros. Both characters would've made for interesting Fire Emblem reps in Smash. I honestly don't know if there's going to be anyone to represent the franchise alongside Marth. However I do think this supports my theory that Anna could be playable, as she's been in nearly every game and got her first playable appearance in Awakening. Really, I'd be happy if anyone from Awakening makes it in. Chrom, Lucina, Robin, Nowi, Panne, Henry, anybody. Just someone. (Except for maybe Maribelle and Tharja...) I'm going to assume that even if there was an Awakening character, it'll probably be a hidden character in the game and won't be announced before the game's release date, assuming that Sakurai's keeping secrets from us (and he most definitely is).
    I was so sad when Tiki was deconfirmed. There are some 'leakers' that say that Chrom is a playable character but I really hope Robin is.

    Also, I still stand by my Fire Emblem Post:
    http://www.wiichat.com/forum/smash-b...ml#post1269279

    Quote Originally Posted by Redreavus View Post
    As for Kid Icarus, Sakurai is hinting more and more at the confirmation of Palutena in regards to the supposed leak of the Palutena images. The fact that Viridi is a stage character and that there's no mention of Magnus or Hades, along with the fact that Pit's Final Smash is changed to the Three Sacred Treasures, along with the inclusion of Pseudo-Palutena's trophy in the Trophy Quiz segment of the Direct is pointing more and more at Palutena's possible inclusion in the game. However, if she were to, my one question is what her moveset would be like. I'm assuming most of it would be made up like Fox and Captain Falcon's.
    http://www.wiichat.com/forum/smash-b...ml#post1273833

    Quote Originally Posted by Redreavus View Post
    For the Kirby franchise, I'm going to assume that Meta Knight is going to be an unlockable character, assuming that Kirby and Dedede are playable. I think it's also safe to assume that Meta Knight's going to have some obvious moveset changes, due to him being declared broken in Brawl. I really want to see him back, seeing how he's my favorite Kirby character.
    Meta Knight seems likely to return.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redreavus View Post
    Earthbound: Hopefully Ness and/or Lucas return. If both return, they'd better have more differences to justify their inclusions.
    I wonder if Sakurai will kill all clones. Custom movests have the ability to give Kirby Ice Breath. I wonder if they are going to give Ness the ability to PK Freeze in a Custom Moveset and cut Lucas out all together. Or the other way around.

    What do you think about custom movests and their relation to clones? Because if you could edit Fox's movest to be Falco's moveset, why would they put Falco in?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redreavus View Post
    And finally, the Metroid franchise, the Nintendo franchise I know the least about but probably the most controversial topic among the Smash Bros. fanbase but is surprisingly less talked about than expected on this forum. I'm glad Samus and Zero Suit Samus are separate characters, seeing how inconvenient it was to play as Zero in Brawl. (Even if you could press the L/R buttons to play as her, it was still annoying.) I can't say that I'm not disappointed about Dark Samus becoming an assist trophy. However I am puzzled about why Ridley is only included as a silhouette in the trailer, although as pointed out his/her/its wings are shown briefly. I can't really provide much of an opinion on Metroid characters. (I really should get around to playing that Metroid Prime Trilogy game I bought last Black Friday...)
    The theory about the trophies gives Ridley a small chance.
    Plus when Sakurai deconfirms a character he doesn't beat around the bush.
    The fact that he is taunting us about Ridley is quite strange.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redreavus View Post
    I will say that my one disappointment about the summer release of the 3DS version is that there would virtually be no surprise in who's going to be in the Wii U version, seeing how a lot of people would have unlocked all of the 3DS characters by the time the Wii U version comes out. I kind of want to see extra characters that come with the Wii U version that could be downloaded onto the 3DS.
    I also hope there is a character DLC

    Quote Originally Posted by Redreavus View Post
    I could blab on and on even more regarding items, stages and modes, but I'll save that for another time seeing how I'm taking up enough text just talking about characters.
    Take up text I want to hear more

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MR View Post
    I say we are already pushing 40+ Characters

    The Old Guard: Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, Ness
    The Veterans: Ganondorf, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game&Watch, Falco
    The Sophomores: Wario, Wolf, Meta Knight, Snake, ROB, Ike
    The Freshmen: New Fire Emblem Character?, Namco Character?, Legend of Zelda Character?, New Donkey Kong Character? New Pokémon Character?

    Nintendo's Big 3
    Mario roster so far: (5) Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, Rosalina
    Legend of Zelda roster so far: (4) Link, Toon Link, Zelda, Sheik
    Pokémon roster so far: (4) Pikachu, Lucario, Charizard, Greninja

    High Tier
    Kirby: (2) Kirby, Dedede
    Metroid: (2) Samus, Zero Suit Samus
    Donkey Kong: (2) Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong
    Star Fox: (1) Fox

    Mid Tier
    Fire Emblem: (1) Marth
    Kid Icarus: (1) Pit

    Mid Low Tier

    Pikmin: (1) Olimar
    Animal Crossing: (1) Villager
    Yoshi: (1) Yoshi

    Low Tier

    WiiFit: (1) WiiFit Trainer
    Punch-Out!!: (1) Little Mac

    3rd Party
    Mega Man
    Sonic

    The way I see it is the Big 3 will get a max of 5-6 reps (Most likely 5)
    High Tier will get a max of 3
    Mid Tier will get a max of 3-2 (unclear)
    Mid Low Tier will get a max of 1-2 (most likely 1)
    Low Tier will get only 1
    Third Party will only ever get 1

    Considering they removed duel characters, that means Tetra has a chance alone but I see the 5th spot going to Ganon (at the rate they are going he is probably going to be a fresh new Ganon)

    The Pokémon Roster's 5th spot will be Jigglypuff most likely for reasons stated above

    The Kirby Seires will get Meta Knight
    Metroid Seires still needs a villain and Ridley and Dark Samus are gone now
    Donkey Kong has room for another character (Dixie Kong or King K. Rool most likely)
    Star Fox has 2 characters that are Vets. Wolf's position is pretty solid. Falco's not so much.

    Fire Emblem has a lot of room. It came out with a really popular game and it deserves a rep. Ike is extremely popular in the Fire Emblem fanbase and the Smash fanbase so I think Fire Emblem will get 3 slots.
    Kid Icarus will probably get Palutena

    The other I think will stay at 1

    Currently at 29
    Expecting at the very least 10 more
    Those 10 being:
    Ganon
    Jigglypuff
    Metaknight
    Ness
    Captain Falcon
    Wolf
    Ike
    Robin (or another Fire Emblem Character)
    Palutena
    Wario (Considering he is not an Assist Trophy but Waluigi is)

    Likely 6:
    Shulk
    Lucas
    Mr. Game&Watch
    Falco (I see him as an Alt Costume of Fox and I see Fox's moveset being edited to be made into a Falco Moveset in Tournaments)
    Namco Character
    Donkey Kong Character (Dixie Kong/King K. Rool)

    Optimistic 4:
    Ice Climbers
    Snake
    Mewtwo
    ROB
    Last edited by Mr. MR; 04-13-2014 at 03:41 PM.
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    I guess that triangle kinda makes sense, but it wouldn't be surprising if they didn't actually figure out that triangle themselves yet and consider a grass starter to put in there.

    I thought you were right about that Wario sign at first, but if you look at Nintendog, you can see there's not a Smash sign but a dog paw... So the evidence is not that good.

    Hmmm I don't think they will put in the option to get moves like Falco, if both Fox and Falco would be returning.
    But yeah it would be better íf you could edit them like Falco (even though I get really annoyed by those shots) to just not let Falco return.
    I'm so hyped about the custom moves

    I really hope there will be 3 Fire Emblem characters, none of them being Ike and at least one of them not using a sword but a different weapon.
    I mean, I really like swords but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to play with Archers or Axe users either. Though I don't think Lancers would be fitting in a Smash game.
    And I wouldn't have any idea how the magic and dragon characters would work.

    Side note: Kinda disappointed about Skull Kid and Palka basically having the same effect... Right?
    And I think Mother Brain's beam looks really... Amateuristic.
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    Is no one else completely baffled that Wario's inclusion is even being debated? Not in a thousand years would Ashley be included as an Assist Trophy and Wario get booted at the same time.

    Goku would be included before Wario gets axed at this point.
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    Lol... I feel stupid now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain View Post
    I thought you were right about that Wario sign at first, but if you look at Nintendog, you can see there's not a Smash sign but a dog paw... So the evidence is not that good.
    I was talking to Squid about that
    The reason why Nintendogs have their logo is because of the Nintendogs Stage

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain View Post
    I really hope there will be 3 Fire Emblem characters, none of them being Ike and at least one of them not using a sword but a different weapon.
    I mean, I really like swords but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to play with Archers or Axe users either. Though I don't think Lancers would be fitting in a Smash game.
    And I wouldn't have any idea how the magic and dragon characters would work.
    I really hope Ike comes back. He was a good character, and different.
    If they do add 3 Fire Emblem Characters I hope it's Robin, Marth, and Ike

    Also, I made a Tome user and a Lance user moveset in the moveset thread.

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    Side note: Kinda disappointed about Skull Kid and Palka basically having the same effect... Right?
    And I think Mother Brain's beam looks really... Amateuristic.
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    Ah that might indeed be true, about the Nintendogs

    So you hope there will be 3 sword characters? That would be so... unoriginal. I know Ike is different, but not having a sword would be much more different.
    Could you give me a link about those movesets?

    Yeah I know it looks like the original beam, but Mother Brain has been updated completely, why not make the beam look better as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain View Post
    So you hope there will be 3 sword characters? That would be so... unoriginal. I know Ike is different, but not having a sword would be much more different.
    Well Robin also uses Tomes so yeah
    I just hope not Chrom
    Also, Smash is lacking a BFS character

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    Could you give me a link about those movesets?
    Sure
    I haven't updated them in a while. I probably should.
    They are in the Fire Emblem Section
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    Holy cowtits you got a lot of those... That's awesome.
    I'd like to see either Shulk or Magnus as a BFS character ^^.
    And maybe Lloyd Irving as a double sword character. (Not sure if I'd count Pit as a double sword user)
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    How do I delete a post..?
    Karp could tell ya if he wasn't busy being dead.
    Though I want to see his head explode when he views this thread

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    Holy cowtits you got a lot of those... That's awesome.
    I'd like to see either Shulk or Magnus as a BFS character ^^.
    And maybe Lloyd Irving as a double sword character. (Not sure if I'd count Pit as a double sword user)
    I always thought the Monado wasn't too big.





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