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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash_King View Post
    So, no one has any compelling arguments for/against either Tetra or Ghirahim? ._.; I'd rather not make a votin' decision without hearin' any.
    I will start with Tetra block

    Tetra's does not have too much against her, however she does have competition.
    Tetra vs. Phantom Zelda; vying for the spot of Down B.
    Phantoms are the staple enemy of Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. And it just so happens in Spirit Tracks, Zelda ended up like Alphonse Elric.

    When you have the staple enemy mixed with the princess of Hyrule you get a potential Toon Zelda transformation.

    When it comes to uniqueness I think Phantom Zelda is the better option than Tetra as Toon Zelda's transformation. However I find uniqueness and relevance the only thing going for Phantom Zelda when comparing her to Tetra. However Tetra just got equal if not more relevance with WWHD coming out. All in all it comes down to this:

    Pirate Captain vs. Walking Possessed Suit of Semi-Invincible Armour with a Flaming Sword.

    If you haven't played Spirit Tracks then I guess you can't decide if Phantom Zelda is worthy enough. However I believe she is. Phantom Zelda would be a heavy weight transformation that I could see being utilized, by transforming to Phantom mode at high percents to survive longer, making her transformation more useful.

    Give it a chance and read through my Toon Zelda and Phantom Zelda Moveset to gain some perspective. (Click on my Lyndis Banner)

    Against Toon Sheik. Does she even exist?

    If you looked at the forbidden 7 they were most likely last minute clones that they would have worked on if they had the time. So I think that Toon Sheik was a sloppy quick idea. I find Tetra and Phantom Zelda more relevant and canon, while Toon Sheik was merely a placeholder. I also believe that the file names were not the final names. I looked it up myself, and I saw some differences between the way toonlink was written and toon_zelda and toon_sheik were written. I believe that if they had enough time, Toon Sheik would have become Tetra and possibly the file could still be named ToonSheik for file placement and programing similarities between Toon Zelda and Zelda. If you were going to copy paste that kinda of Down B programing, you would keep the names relatively the same to make it easier for you.

    Now to bash sword boy.

    Ghirahim on the other hand falls in the Villain category and is the counterpart to the Master Sword's talking paperclip. I believe that Ghirahim's best chance is to ride the SS staple train. But as pointed out with Rosalina, it probably wont work. I think Ganon fills the villain roll better than any other video game villain as the face of pure evil. That is a big shadow. I would rather see the dual Toon Zelda then one Villain from a series that already has a more than adequate villain.

    Basicly both counter arguments against Rosalina and Bowser Jr. are directed towards Ghirahim. I still think Rosalina's train is better however being that SMG1 and SMG2 rank up with the big 3 Mario Games (SMW, SMB3, and SM64), and actually ranks on best video game ever rankings. Although Skyward Sword is newer and the newest Legend of Zelda game, I don't believe that train will take him all the way. Moveset potential means nothing in the end. If they can walk and jump then they can be in Smash. Popularity is not important, unless it is anti-popularity. What really matters is importance to the series; that makes the difference, and Ghirahim is a one time villain like Vaati, Majora, and Malladus so I wont call him essential but he is essential to the one game train. And the final nail of truth is; villains have less of a chance than heroes. All one has to do is examine the hero to villain ratio in all the Smash games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splash_King View Post
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    No thanks. What's the point of arguing if I outright refuse to change my stance on this particular matter?




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    Splash, or, he made up Toon Shiek as a quick clone.

    Why would Tetra be mislabeled when every other character's file is labeled properly?

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    The name you gave me explains why

    Edit: I am looking that the files right now from a Brawl ISO. I find it odd that ef_toonlink.pac is written without an underscore while ef_toon_sheik.pac and ef_toon_zelda.pac are.
    Popo and Nana are on their separately while the supposed pra mai are not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeyLolita View Post
    I have arguments, just gotta go to work, so when I get homo I'll reply to everyone!
    Is that a typo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. MR View Post
    Yo there, Moveset potential does not help chances what so ever. I write movesets and anything can be unique. Plus Zelda had no Moveset potential, and I don't consider her duality as obvious as you think. Sure it's obvious now, but back before Melee it was not.
    Sakurai has his own set of rules for adding characters, one of which is "being able to do something" which involves movesets. So in a way moveset potential matters

    Tingle's fanbase exists only in Japan. Everywhere else he has a huge anti-fanbase.
    This is simply not true. It's just not.


    I don't think Toon Sheik is going to make it. I think the best route is Phantom Zelda. Staple enemy in two of the three "Toon" games possessed by the soul of Princess Zelda. Plus they are not changing Zelda canon by putting in Phantom Zelda
    I don't think Sakurai cares about canon really. Toon Shiek is a disgusting piece of proof.

    Quote Originally Posted by Splash_King View Post
    And thus, my problem when decidin' who the new Zelda character would be. I strongly believe it'd either be TZelda or Ghirahim, but I'm not at all sure who's the more likely. Since WWHD is just a re-release, Ghirahim is more relevant in terms of bein' new to the series. He's also moderately popular, and pretty much just screams t' be put into Smash since he's very much Skyward Sword's main-but-not-really villain. Sort'a like how Jr. was the main villain in Sunshine in that he put in all the work with the big guy who waited for his minion to succeed just capitalizing on their bang-up job.
    How do you feel about the harsh fact that Ghirahim probably will not show up in another LoZ game?

    And for the sake of mentionin', Demise won't make an appearance. He's less popular than Ghirahim, less prominent in the game and is less popular. Ghirahim would get in 'fore Demise would guaranteed.
    I see Ghirahim as the only real SS choice. Groose and Impa are two other less popular choices, and Demise falls behind them even.

    There's no REAL arguments against Ghirahim, Tingle, or Toon Zelda / Shiek really.

    I mean, Ghirahim is a one shot character, so I personally put little stock into him. He is popular though, I'll give him that. Tingle is like Junior, in the way that he's really the next in line in terms of importance to the Zelda franchise. Link, Ganondorf, Zelda, and Tingle are all important. Don't forget tingle has two of his OWN GAMES. Toon Zelda and Toon Shiek's only argument IMO is that they were planned for Brawl. I can't say they have much going against them really.

    I just don't find any of these characters all that likely, but at the same time I could see Sakurai adding any of the three. It's really going to come down to gut instinct on this one. It just comes down to who you predict.

    I would say Tetra is dead in the water though. Toon Shiek killed her.

    The typo was purposeful.

    To put LoZ character popularity into perspective, I'll throw some numbers your way.

    My 2011 Poll (700 votes total)
    19. Young Link (190)
    26. Toon Zelda (167)
    34. Vaati (134)
    35. Tetra (133)
    38. Midna / Wolf Link (125)
    40. Majora (119)
    46. Tingle (107)

    Early 2012 Poll (400 votes total)
    17. Ghirahim (134)
    39. Impa (82)
    44. Tingle (72)
    62. Vaati (52)
    79. Tetra (43)
    88. Toon Zelda (39
    )

    Current Poll (1900 votes)
    10.Ghirahim [Legend Of Zelda] 490
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