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    You understand that Pokémon's popularity is bigger then Mario.

    Has Mario ever been on legal tender? Not that I know of.

    (Only royalty and highly esteemed people get there face on money)

    Sure Nintendo's mascot is Mario and Mario has been around longer then Pokémon...
    But back in the day Pokémon exploded back then. It does not just include just game sales but also anime and other products.

    In the golden age of Pokémon, Pokémon was more popular then Mario.

    Understand popularity based on sales must include all products not just the games.

    LoZ on the other hand, has many fanatics like Pokémon and Mario. Not to mention that OoT ranks as one of the best games ever.

    LoZ's fanbase is like the Star Wars, Star Trek, and Tolkien fanbases. There are quite a lot of fanatics which in my opinion counts more then normal fans. One because they do things (like make fan series, movies, and novels) that keep advertizing the series. Two fanatics stay fans for life.

    Let me throw a number your way.
    A quick Google search of Pokémon's Net Value...
    Pokémon stands at $24 Billion
    Compare that to only the game sales which does not even break a billion let alone 24 billion.
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    >Most Popular Games get most characters
    >Show you how that's not true
    >Disregards what I've showed you.

    Samus / ZSS
    Ridley

    Fox
    Falco
    Wolf
    Krystal


    ​My votes ~

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    You just disregarded the numbers

    Pokémon as a franchise sits at $24 Billion
    186 Million is 18.6% of ONE Billion
    The game sales alone are a drop in the bucket to Pokémon's net revenue.

    Mario franchise's Net Worth?
    $10 Billion

    Pokémon is undoubtedly the giant of the two.

    I told you, knowledge is worthless unless you know what it means in the first place. You must know how to interpret the numbers. Knowledge without wisdom is in vain.
    All you did was show the game sales, but what you didn't know that was only part of a whole lot more. The net profit is much bigger.

    Don't close your mind so quickly. Facts and Knowledge is only part of it. The real truth behind them is in understanding what they mean.

    I also told you before, character popularity does not matter. What does is franchise popularity and seires popularity.
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    Mr. MR, I just frankly do not agree with you on almost everything you've said.

    Okay MY POLL RESULTS

    Where the votes are coming from:

    46% Reddit
    21% Kwiksurveys
    16% Smashboards
    10% Neogaf
    Everything else is 1% or lower

    What parts of the world are voting?

    356 USA
    46 Canada
    21 UK
    11 Australia
    5 Mexico
    5 Netherlands
    4 Brazil
    4 France
    3 Switzerland
    3 Spain
    3 Sweden
    2 Denmark
    2 Germany
    2 Belguim
    2 Ireland
    1 Portugal
    1 Chile
    1 Norway
    1 Finland
    1 India
    1 Republic of Korea
    1 Jordan
    1 Italy
    1 Kuwait

    Top 100 Newcomers with 480+ votes (The entire list if over 200 characters)

    1. Mewtwo 357
    2. Megaman 310
    3. King K. Rool 263
    4. Ridley 261
    5. Roy 260
    6. Little Mac (Punch Out) 210
    7. Bowser Junior 190
    8. Banjo & Kazooie 171
    9. Isaac (Golden Sun) 170
    10. Paper Mario 167
    11. Palutena 166
    12. Waluigi 164
    13. Krystal 161
    14. Chrom 153
    15. Shulk (Xenoblade) 144
    16. Dixie Kong 130
    17. 2nd Sonic Character (Tails, Shadow, Knuckles) 127
    18. Samurai Goroh 128
    19. Black Shadow 126
    20. Bomberman 119
    21. Toad 113
    22. Doctor Mario 112
    23. Dark Samus 109
    24. Kingdom Hearts (Sora) 108
    25. Rayman 106
    26. King Boo 104
    27. Pac-Man 104
    28. Sixth Gen Pokemon 103
    29. Lyn 102
    30. Crono Trigger (Crono) 102
    31. Mii (Wii Series) 101
    32. Super Mario RPG (Geno, Mallow) 101
    33. Kamek 93
    34. Viewtiful Joe 93
    35. Castlevania (Simon Belmont, Alucard, Dracula) 92
    36. Pokemon Trainer (Johto) 91
    37. Takamaru (The Mysterious Musasame Castle) 91
    38. Final Fantasy (Chocobo, Black Mage, Moogle, Cloud, Lightning) 89
    39. Tom Nook (Animal Crossing 88
    40. Ace Attorney (Phoenix Write) 83
    41. Pokemon Trainer (Hoenn) 82
    42. Balloon Fighter 82
    43. Zoroark 81
    44. Bayonetta 79
    45. Shy Guy 78
    46. Ray MK (Custom Robo) 78
    47. Tales Series (Cless/Cress, Lloyd) 78
    48. Medusa 77
    49. Rosalina 76
    50. Eevee (and Eeveelutions) 76
    51. Saki (Sin & Punishment) 75
    52. No More Hereos (Travis Touchdown) 74
    53. Professor Layton 74
    54. Claus (Masked Man) 72
    55. Pokemon Trainer (Kalos) 71
    56. Baby Mario & Luigi 70
    57. Porky 70
    58. Dark Pit 70
    59. Lucina 68
    60. Slippy 67
    61. Fawful 66
    62. Conker's Bad Fur Day (Conker) 66
    63. Andy (Advanced Wars) 65
    64. Dillon (Rolling Western) 65
    65. Pokemon Trainer (Sinnoh) 64
    66. Hades 64
    67. Scribblenauts (Maxwell) 64
    68. K.K Slider (Animal Crossing) 63
    69. Deoxys 61
    70. Ashley 59
    71. Plusle & Minun 59
    72. Villager (Animal Crossing) 58
    73. Street Fighter (Ryu, Chun Li, M. Bison) 58
    74. Pokemon Trainer Villain (Rocket Plasma Galactic Aqua Magma) 58
    75. Anna 57
    76. 2nd Metal Gear Character (Raiden, Gray Fox) 54
    77. Funky Kong 54
    78. Pokemon Trainer N 54
    79. Captain Syrup 53
    80. Mona 53
    81. Bandana Dee 52
    82. Genesect 51
    83. Black Knight 51
    84. Magnus 51
    85. Daisy 49
    86. Kat & Ana 49
    87. Knuckle Joe 49
    88. Pichu 49
    89. Robin (FE:A Avatar) 47
    90. Alex (Golden Sun) 47
    91. Starfy (The Legendary Starfy) 47
    92. Baby Bowser 46
    93. Meowth 46
    94. Prince Fluff 44
    95. Jimmy T. 43
    96. Poo 43
    97. Elite Beat Agents 43
    98. Peppy 42
    99. Felix (Golden Sun) 42
    100. Soul Calibur (Nightmare, Ivy Valentine) 41
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    You put your faith in numbers...
    SO DO I!
    MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    All in all, Nintendo is a business. Characters don't make the game. Games make the characters. The sales makes the games and the franchise makes the games sell.

    All I see, is a pattern with Nintendo's franchises popularity (money wise (net worth)) and the amount of characters per franchise in the Smash rosters. Obviously to balance out the roster the ratios don't work with some of the less profitable franchises but there is a pattern. Pokémon stands tall with Mario and Legend of Zelda not far behind in characters.

    If you use more characters from the most popular franchises the game will sell better. It's simple business logic.
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    Let's just remember that numbers only mean so much to Sakurai. He has the ultimate in the game. When looking at characters HE HIMSELF HAS SAID



    - The character's inclusion must make people want to buy the game.
    - The character must be unique
    - The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.
    - They must contribute to the game balance.

    And originating in a video game and being on a Nintendo system

    So, keep these in mind whenever you're predicting characters. There is really no if, ands or buts about this.
    Last edited by HeyLolita; 05-22-2013 at 07:34 PM.

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    And it really does not contradict what I said.
    If you look at the first statement. He is talking about sales and business.

    Of course there needs to be a balance when dealing with franchise representation. However, the more popular franchises will make a bigger impact. Such are the numbers I brought.

    I do think logically, and I know a game full of only Pokémon, Mario, and LoZ characters wont sell as well as a diverse pallet. However that does not mean that all franchises will have equal representation. The franchises that will have the most impact, which ultimately impacts sales, will have better representation.

    The marketing strategy that is Super Smash Bros. is ingenious, not that it was meant to be in the first place. The lesser know franchise can now benefit from Pokémon's and Mario's fame and become more well known themselves. Crossovers are an important marketing tool and Smash Bros. is the greatest one (crossover) I have seen. The idea is brilliant and it affects the revenue of all the franchises represented in it, which is basically Nintendo as a whole. Which is why Mario and Pokémon are more important then the others but the others still matter.

    Understand how I am thinking?





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    My sillyness forgot all the LoZ characters >.<

    Here they all are:

    · Majora (Skull Kid) 151
    · Ghirahim 107
    · Toon Zelda 94
    · Vaati 80
    · Wolf Link 72
    · Young Link 71
    · Tetra 67
    · Midna 65
    · Toon Ganondorf 64
    · Toon Sheik 60
    · Impa 54
    · Classic Link 52
    · Tingle 51
    · Phantom Zelda 28
    · Groose 27

    I'll edit the results tomorrow and link them to you ~
    Last edited by HeyLolita; 05-21-2013 at 02:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeyLolita View Post
    89. Robin (FE:A Avatar) 47
    What is this madness?



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    *shrugs* Iunno o.o

    Do you have an opinion on the Metroid, and Star Fox franchises? So far the newcomers that have been brought up are Ridley, and Krystal. The latter I posted an argument FOR her on the page before this.

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