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Old 04-01-2007, 05:52 PM  
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alright, its time for me to address this:
Barry Bonds.
Now this is coming from a guy who grew up loving this guy. He was my favorite player and he was probably a lot of kids favorite player's before about 2003-04. Now he's never been very nice to the media or fans in general for that matter, and that's the reason he's going down with the sinking steroids ship (nice alliteration there, i think). But when you look at the reason why people tend to hate Bonds, it's the same reason people hate the Yankees, because they are so good. Look, Bonds alledegly started taking steroids in 1999, correct? Well, he had the numbers before that year to be a hall-of-famer in my mind. It's obvious that he took performance enhancers because nobody enters their prime at age 37, however, it's not like he was the only one. The reason people exaggerate this is because Bonds was already a superstar before he took steriods. Guys like McGuire and Sosa were good, but taking roids gave them superstar numbers. When a superstar takes performance enhancers, he goes from a superstar to the best offensive numbers in history (he's a lifetime 300 hitter and with 159 hits he'll have 3000 hits to go along with his 500+ stolen bases). Bottom line, the guy cheated, but the extent of his cheating was probably less than that of others, it has been expanded due to his hatred towards the media (ie reporter doesn't get an exclusive, he looks for dirt on the guy). That's all I've got to say about that Barry. As for the other one, 20 wins and Cy Young, baby!
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Nice rant. But Bonds "cheated" ( even though there was nothing that checked for it only in the minors and even if you got chought they didnt make you sit any games out.) I also hate Sosa and McGuire, oh and you cant forget about Giambi.
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alright, its time for me to address this:
Barry Bonds.
Now this is coming from a guy who grew up loving this guy. He was my favorite player and he was probably a lot of kids favorite player's before about 2003-04. Now he's never been very nice to the media or fans in general for that matter, and that's the reason he's going down with the sinking steroids ship (nice alliteration there, i think). But when you look at the reason why people tend to hate Bonds, it's the same reason people hate the Yankees, because they are so good. Look, Bonds alledegly started taking steroids in 1999, correct? Well, he had the numbers before that year to be a hall-of-famer in my mind. It's obvious that he took performance enhancers because nobody enters their prime at age 37, however, it's not like he was the only one. The reason people exaggerate this is because Bonds was already a superstar before he took steriods. Guys like McGuire and Sosa were good, but taking roids gave them superstar numbers. When a superstar takes performance enhancers, he goes from a superstar to the best offensive numbers in history (he's a lifetime 300 hitter and with 159 hits he'll have 3000 hits to go along with his 500+ stolen bases). Bottom line, the guy cheated, but the extent of his cheating was probably less than that of others, it has been expanded due to his hatred towards the media (ie reporter doesn't get an exclusive, he looks for dirt on the guy). That's all I've got to say about that Barry. As for the other one, 20 wins and Cy Young, baby!
Randy Johnson, 4 Cy Youngs; Brandon Webb, 1 Cy Young from last year > Barry Zito, 1 Cy Young
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Randy Johnson, 4 Cy Youngs; Brandon Webb, 1 Cy Young from last year > Barry Zito, 1 Cy Young
Matt Cain = 5 future Cy Youngs
Tim Linecum = 5 more future Cy Youngs
top those 2 young guns
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Matt Cain = 5 future Cy Youngs
Tim Linecum = 5 more future Cy Youngs
top those 2 young guns
So you are saying they will be moving to the AL? They can't possibly win with Brandon Webb still pitching in the NL.....
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Ohka Chacin Burnett Halladay B.J. Ryan

all the jays need is a better 5th then towers...
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Ohka Chacin Burnett Halladay B.J. Ryan

WHY DO WE HAVE TOWERS
Maybe because B.J. Ryan is a closer....
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Maybe because B.J. Ryan is a closer....

I know its just... we got those 5 guys thay are all awsome down to good towers = either REALLY REALLY bad or just bad....
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I know its just... we got those 5 guys thay are all awsome down to good towers = either REALLY REALLY bad or just bad....
My bad, I misunderstood your post. Josh Towers did have an awesome rookie season though if I remember right. Hopefully he can do that again for the sake of the Blue Jays.

Edit: 2005 actually.
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think lilly will do decent for the cubs. Not like a cy young, but good amount of wins.
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he got paid what, 40 million? over 4 years? its like a million bucks a win for sp's in the leauge now.
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the offseason market was so low in pitchers. so pitchers like lilly, who arent great but Ok, get paid a lot of money.
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the offseason market was so low in pitchers. so pitchers like lilly, who arent great but Ok, get paid a lot of money.

is that supposed to be a shot at zito? my lefty's better than your lefty!
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haha zito = number 1 f.a. pitcher.
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[quote=FWELR]is that supposed to be a shot at zito? my lefty's better than your lefty![/QUO

i didnt even think of that. well Zito is Overrated. He hasent been as good as he was back when he was with the triple threat it was, Mulder, Zito, and Hudson.. Now hes overrated.... But besides zito that was the only big name pitcher. and in the paper i read , for the AL, Pettite was the best free agent. If Pettitte is healthy, he will be better then zito, yet we will have to wait and see! It will be fun!
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Zito should do a lot better in a weaker NL. I just don't think him and Bonds will be able to carry the Giants. This looks like a transitional year for them...
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