Nintendo's secret double strategy?

LevesqueIsKing · 10-13-2007, 07:22 PM

Exactly. Rather than sell a ton and then burn out in a few years, they're going to spread out the wii's success in an attempt to keep the console in demand throughout its entire lifetime, something that no console has ever attempted, let alone accomplished.

Master Foot · 10-13-2007, 07:33 PM

You do have a point. Nintendo has us chasing the carrot on the stick. At this point, I have stopped checking the Brawl update site. By the time the game comes out, we will know 90% of the characters, all their moves, all the stages and everything about the game. Unless Brawl has some kick-ass surprises and Master Chief as a secret character, Sakurai is just diluting the freshness of the game by releasing all the aspects of Brawl.

RedProdigy · 10-14-2007, 02:49 AM

Unfortunately that is all mere speculation without any real evidence to support the claims of conspiracies. Metroid Prime 3 was delayed because Retro wanted more time to work on the game, not because Nintendo wanted to do it for **** and giggles. We don't know why Brawl was delayed but I heard from IGN that there were some bugs so it's probable that Nintendo is working on it and online. No one is forcing you to look at Smash Dojo. As for production, I wouldn't doubt that Nintendo is holding back consoles but only to increase holiday supply. Selling 800k in the summer is pretty impressive and Nintendo just can't flip a switch and suddenly start pumping out consoles. Besides that, Nintendo is conservative and doesn't want an excessive amount of supply.

To answer the question that you ask in an attempt to negate any objections, it's because I know Nintendo. I know that it does things the ways they want to. I know that it's not afraid to delay games to improve the general quality of the games. Am I disappointed that games don't come out earlier? Sure I am. But I don't bitch and whine and try to assign ulterior motives to paint Nintendo as the big bad corporation that loves to screw over its customers.

cyberzomby · 10-14-2007, 03:43 AM

It makes sense because you say it in a way it can only make sense

I think this is just one of those conspiracy like theory's. Its nice to talk about and its nice to think nintendo would actually do this but I dont think its true.

Razoola · 10-14-2007, 04:06 AM

Actually companies do slow down on production and there are very good reasons for it in the supply and demand chain. Simply put it is good for Nintendo to not ramp up production brecause it keeps the console price up. As soon as the flood the market the Wii price would start going down. Of course there is a fine line in making sure you get the supply right and so far Nintendo is getting it right. I also suppose instead of ramping up production they will release a different model anyway to run alongside the current Wii, that way they get even more sales. That would probably have extra memory and maybe even a DVD or HDD/BlueRay drive.... I'm sure even Sony would like their drive in the Wii.

Raz

LoganSix · 10-14-2007, 09:25 AM

Good grief people.
The Wii has sold twice as fast as the XBox 360. Nintendo makes a profit on every Wii it builds. They are not holding back production. There are Wii's to be had in a lot of places. The rate of Demand was unexpected, plain and simple.

Just adjust your tinfoil hat and worry about other things.

NS_Tr4mpld · 10-14-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LoganSix

Good grief people.
The Wii has sold twice as fast as the XBox 360. Nintendo makes a profit on every Wii it builds. They are not holding back production. There are Wii's to be had in a lot of places. The rate of Demand was unexpected, plain and simple.

Just adjust your tinfoil hat and worry about other things.

QFT... So many people think they are holding back because you look at other systems and how they are so abundant. I donno about sales figures at the moment but they surpassed the 360 a couple of months ago and that's just insane.

Would you rather Nintendo mass produced with a mass amount of problems like ps2? They would have to remove that Nintendo seal.

Sovieto · 10-14-2007, 10:12 AM

wii is selling a lot, yes. but as you said they make a profit on console, youre telling me they are selling all those wiis, and that with the huge profit from the DS, they cant ramp up production? bullshit, it uses a last gen graphics chip and motion sensitivity isnt exactly new, you telling me they cant open up a couple more factories for production?
its selling amazingly, but not that amazingly. they knew the wii would be a success though after putting a ds was. youve heard everywhere "the ds was testing the waters"

Fox · 10-14-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Razoola

Actually companies do slow down on production and there are very good reasons for it in the supply and demand chain. Simply put it is good for Nintendo to not ramp up production brecause it keeps the console price up. As soon as the flood the market the Wii price would start going down. Of course there is a fine line in making sure you get the supply right and so far Nintendo is getting it right. I also suppose instead of ramping up production they will release a different model anyway to run alongside the current Wii, that way they get even more sales. That would probably have extra memory and maybe even a DVD or HDD/BlueRay drive.... I'm sure even Sony would like their drive in the Wii.

Raz

I'm pretty sure the Wii isnt powerfull enough to run it's own blue-ray.

LoganSix · 10-14-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sovieto

.., they cant ramp up production? bullshit, it uses a last gen graphics chip and motion sensitivity isnt exactly new, you telling me they cant open up a couple more factories for production?...

So, how's that widget factory you got going, huh? You are making a million widgets a month and now people want you to make 2 million.

Can you even comprehend how many Wii's are being made? Over a million a month. Do you even know what it takes to "open up a factory"? It takes six months to build a house, how long do you think it takes to build a "factory", stock it with material and hire people to build the components? Oh, and get the person who supplies you with material to double their production too.

Want to get an idea what it is like? I want you to make 5 paper airplanes and time how long it takes you to make those five. Now, I want you to keep making 5 paper airplanes at the same speed for 5 hours. Tomorrow, I want you to make 7 paper airplanes in the same time it took you to make 5. And the day after tomorrow, I want you to make 10 paper airplanes in the same time you made the first 5. BTW, you can only make 40 airplanes at a time until your cousin from out-of-state brings you more paper. Have fun.

Sovieto · 10-14-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LoganSix

So, how's that widget factory you got going, huh? You are making a million widgets a month and now people want you to make 2 million.

Can you even comprehend how many Wii's are being made? Over a million a month. Do you even know what it takes to "open up a factory"? It takes six months to build a house, how long do you think it takes to build a "factory", stock it with material and hire people to build the components? Oh, and get the person who supplies you with material to double their production too.

Want to get an idea what it is like? I want you to make 5 paper airplanes and time how long it takes you to make those five. Now, I want you to keep making 5 paper airplanes at the same speed for 5 hours. Tomorrow, I want you to make 7 paper airplanes in the same time it took you to make 5. And the day after tomorrow, I want you to make 10 paper airplanes in the same time you made the first 5. BTW, you can only make 40 airplanes at a time until your cousin from out-of-state brings you more paper. Have fun.

ill gladly get friends to help make those paper airplanes, like you would get a factory. its almost been a year since the wiis been out, double of 6 months, and with all the profit things like needing supplies should be little obstacles.

Dzapper · 10-14-2007, 03:51 PM

Im sorry, but this whole "Double Strategy" is idiotic, the truth is simply that games get delayed! And neither MP3 nor Mario Galaxy were ever officially named launch games. And as far as Brawl goes, I could care less, there are so many games that are going to be better. Hell! Im more excited about Bleach:The Shattered Souls than Brawl.

Besides, SONY and Microsoft have had plenty of delays and stolen exclusives(you shoul be glad nintendo doesn't have that problem).

MRCOOLGH · 10-14-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sovieto

I'm starting to think Nintendo is running a double strategy. It makes sense to me and explains a lot.
First, Nintendo is obviously holding back production on Wiis, there is no excuse for them not producing enough Wiis. But now, the people who want Wiis are getting them.
Whos getting them? The people looking forward to games like SSBB, Mario, and Metroid.
Now, the launch of the Wii for example, we were promised Zelda, MP3, and Mario Galaxy within launch week I believe. We haven't even seen MP3 since last E3 and then we expect them to have it...and Mario, ready for release during the Wiis release window?! or, were they planning to delay it.
Hear me out, people before launch would go online, read all about the Wii and all these awesome games coming out. Then they get it set through their mind that they want a Wii and don't bother looking for more info (this is obviously not the most of the people on these forums). Later, those games they wanted are delayed but do they know that? no, games usually come out on the date they are announced to.
So then this person buys this Wii, and like many people, get bored with it cause they don't have all the games they wanted. This was the first huge wave of Wii owners we saw.
Now is the second wave, MP3, Mario, and SSBB?! 3 great titles, 2 were already delayed by a year so people might find it extremely strange a game is delayed twice.
So then, people hear about this craze over the Wii then go online, see SSBB, the possibly (and imo) the biggest title for the Wii, is coming out this winter! They know they want that Wii, and again, go on with their lives. So its winter, they buy that Wii, and find out no SSBB. This time around though they are a little more satisfied with the other games.

So is Nintendo running a strategy to give out release dates, then silently delay them to work along with not having enough units out for the ultimate entertainment buzz?

I think it only makes sense, there are other delayed games, such as BWii, which was suppose to come out last March I believe.

Also, if you post on this thread defending Nintendo--why? they're the ones delaying the games you want, you can't give them ALL the breaks can you?

First off Sovieto Nintendo is always loyal to their fans. Brawl wasnt delayed unporpose it was delayed because the game needs more polishing in the ghraphics department, its still has some wonky glitches, and it still has bugs so it needs to be fixed because I would rather play a game thats works fine and has no problems rathen than a game thats glitched and bugged. Nintendo couldnt lie to the consumers saying that SMG and MP3 would be out a week after wii launch because Retro Studios was still working on some artwork and making it into video games while nintendo said that SMG was still in its conecpt form. If they did say MP3 and SMG would be out a week after launch, to find out its was bull then nintendo can get sued for fraud because they were promising on tv, interet, magazines, other media that it was. Plus if nintendo did do that and gamers got bored of the wii then its hype would die down. I myself want one because of all the games out and the ones almost comming out but because my family has some financial problems I cant buy one. Im so tired of people saying that anyone can afford a wii, ITS NOT TRUE not everyone can dish out $250 like nothing. so get your facts shtraight and learn more.

Sovieto · 10-14-2007, 04:24 PM

zelda was delayed to help get the hype going, so obviously they do delay games for reasons other than working on them..;..

[DT] · 10-14-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LoganSix

Good grief people.
The Wii has sold twice as fast as the XBox 360. Nintendo makes a profit on every Wii it builds. They are not holding back production. There are Wii's to be had in a lot of places. The rate of Demand was unexpected, plain and simple.

Just adjust your tinfoil hat and worry about other things.

Holy Smokes. Outstanding, +1 for you

RedProdigy · 10-14-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sovieto

wii is selling a lot, yes. but as you said they make a profit on console, youre telling me they are selling all those wiis, and that with the huge profit from the DS, they cant ramp up production? bullshit, it uses a last gen graphics chip and motion sensitivity isnt exactly new, you telling me they cant open up a couple more factories for production?
its selling amazingly, but not that amazingly. they knew the wii would be a success though after putting a ds was. youve heard everywhere "the ds was testing the waters"

I wish it was that easy. Maybe you should become head of Nintendo since you obviously know how to run production better than Iwata.

Logan has the essential idea but I think he's oversimplifying the production of Wiis. The very first fact to address is that Nintendo is a multi-faceted company that has a variety of products to manufacture. What does Nintendo spend money on? Let's look:

Wiis
DS Lites
Wii software (developing)
Wii software (publishing)
DS software (developing)
DS software (publishing)
Wii accessories
Wiimotes/Nunchucks
DS accessories
Licensing fees/other

Let's say Nintendo is considering building a factory. First of all, it has to look at long-term profitability; "will we really need this a few years later?". It has to look at costs of construction, parts to make hardware/software/accessories/ maintanence, and labor. If Nintendo decides to go ahead and open up another factory, it has to consider what to manufacture and in what ratios. It has to look at demand and try to figure just how much to make. Then it has to consider the amount of material it has to work with and order parts from other companies, who in turn have to consider a number of factors. Then of course, Nintendo has to decide how to distribute its products worldwide to attempt to meet need. Above all this, Nintendo has to keep in mind the holiday seasons where demand is going to be greatest.

It's not really a matter of "can it?" but "should it?". Also, the Wii IS selling amazingly unless you care to explain how selling more than 800k in 2 months in North America in the middle of summer is not a big deal.

RedProdigy · 10-14-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sovieto

zelda was delayed to help get the hype going, so obviously they do delay games for reasons other than working on them..;..

But how do you know this? I must have missed the thread where you said that you worked at Nintendo. Or did it outright come out and say "We delayed Zelda intentionally to toy with the fans and keep hype up"? Nintendo may delay games partially for reasons other than to work on the game but I highly doubt it's ever a main reason.

[DT] · 10-14-2007, 04:56 PM

OK with RedProdigy's post, this thread is suddenly making way too much sense - I'm going to hide under the bed...

dakuda · 10-14-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RedProdigy

But how do you know this? I must have missed the thread where you said that you worked at Nintendo. Or did it outright come out and say "We delayed Zelda intentionally to toy with the fans and keep hype up"? Nintendo may delay games partially for reasons other than to work on the game but I highly doubt it's ever a main reason.

This whole thread is speculation.

I have some prime real estate that Nintendo stalled on purchasing from me for their new factory. They must be stalling.

Several of you explained the same thing I did, but with more patience to type it all out. I took the easy way. The initial idea is utter BS.

Sovieto · 10-14-2007, 06:37 PM

zelda was delayed for a total of 2 years i believe, 1 year for work then another for the wii release, wikipedia it or something

10-13-2007, 07:22 PM	#21
LevesqueIsKing An Instant Classic Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,176 Friends: 19 0000-0000-0000-0000	Exactly. Rather than sell a ton and then burn out in a few years, they're going to spread out the wii's success in an attempt to keep the console in demand throughout its entire lifetime, something that no console has ever attempted, let alone accomplished. __________________ Not to fit a mold, Not to join a trend, Not to follow a crowd

10-13-2007, 07:33 PM	#22
Master Foot WiiChat Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York Posts: 388 Friends: 0 5574-4537-7049-7984	You do have a point. Nintendo has us chasing the carrot on the stick. At this point, I have stopped checking the Brawl update site. By the time the game comes out, we will know 90% of the characters, all their moves, all the stages and everything about the game. Unless Brawl has some kick-ass surprises and Master Chief as a secret character, Sakurai is just diluting the freshness of the game by releasing all the aspects of Brawl. __________________

10-14-2007, 02:49 AM	#23
RedProdigy NOD fanatic Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 425 Friends: 0	Unfortunately that is all mere speculation without any real evidence to support the claims of conspiracies. Metroid Prime 3 was delayed because Retro wanted more time to work on the game, not because Nintendo wanted to do it for **** and giggles. We don't know why Brawl was delayed but I heard from IGN that there were some bugs so it's probable that Nintendo is working on it and online. No one is forcing you to look at Smash Dojo. As for production, I wouldn't doubt that Nintendo is holding back consoles but only to increase holiday supply. Selling 800k in the summer is pretty impressive and Nintendo just can't flip a switch and suddenly start pumping out consoles. Besides that, Nintendo is conservative and doesn't want an excessive amount of supply. To answer the question that you ask in an attempt to negate any objections, it's because I know Nintendo. I know that it does things the ways they want to. I know that it's not afraid to delay games to improve the general quality of the games. Am I disappointed that games don't come out earlier? Sure I am. But I don't bitch and whine and try to assign ulterior motives to paint Nintendo as the big bad corporation that loves to screw over its customers. __________________ Now playing: Phoenix Wright, Picross Wishlist: No More Heroes, SSBB, Disaster: DOC, Fire Emblem DS, Tales of Symphonia 2 UGa football (11-2): Sugar Bowl Champs

10-14-2007, 09:25 AM	#26
LoganSix WiiChat Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Cackalacky Posts: 320 Friends: 0 2294-2353-1207-3330	Good grief people. The Wii has sold twice as fast as the XBox 360. Nintendo makes a profit on every Wii it builds. They are not holding back production. There are Wii's to be had in a lot of places. The rate of Demand was unexpected, plain and simple. Just adjust your tinfoil hat and worry about other things. __________________ Wiiaffied : April 22, 2007 Accessorwiis : 4 sets of motes and chucks, 2 motionPlus, 1 dance pad, Wii Zapper, colored battery doors, component cables, aluminum travel case Gamiis : Wii Sports, Elebits, Big Brain Academy, DDR : Hottest Party, Battalion Wars 2, Mario & Sonic at the Olympics, Medal of Honor : Heroes 2, Rayman Raving Rabbids 2, Rayman Rabbids TV Party, Tiger Woods 08, EA Sports Active, Game Party 1&2, Punch Out, Wii Sports Resort Do you Wii-B-q?

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10-14-2007, 04:06 AM	#25
Razoola The Number Cruncher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 63 Friends: 0 3540-3735-3301-6002	Actually companies do slow down on production and there are very good reasons for it in the supply and demand chain. Simply put it is good for Nintendo to not ramp up production brecause it keeps the console price up. As soon as the flood the market the Wii price would start going down. Of course there is a fine line in making sure you get the supply right and so far Nintendo is getting it right. I also suppose instead of ramping up production they will release a different model anyway to run alongside the current Wii, that way they get even more sales. That would probably have extra memory and maybe even a DVD or HDD/BlueRay drive.... I'm sure even Sony would like their drive in the Wii. Raz

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Dzapper Akatsuki Assassin Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Morehouse College Posts: 683 Friends: 0 4627-4261-3182-4550	Im sorry, but this whole "Double Strategy" is idiotic, the truth is simply that games get delayed! And neither MP3 nor Mario Galaxy were ever officially named launch games. And as far as Brawl goes, I could care less, there are so many games that are going to be better. Hell! Im more excited about Bleach:The Shattered Souls than Brawl. Besides, SONY and Microsoft have had plenty of delays and stolen exclusives(you shoul be glad nintendo doesn't have that problem). __________________ Wii Games -Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles- -The Conduit- -PUNCH-OUT!!!- -Tenchu: Shadow Assassins- -MADWORLD- -Tales of Symphonia: DoTNW- -King of Fighters Collection: The Orochi Saga- -Call of Duty World at War- -No More Heroes- -Ghost Squad- -Manhunt 2- -Naruto CoNR2- -World of Goo- -Space Invaders Get Even- Conduit FC: 3738-7826-6753

10-14-2007, 04:24 PM	#34
Sovieto Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 6,806 Friends: 0	zelda was delayed to help get the hype going, so obviously they do delay games for reasons other than working on them..;.. __________________ Everything in this signature except for this text was made by Wiired, he is my creator and almighty.

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Sovieto Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 6,806 Friends: 0	zelda was delayed for a total of 2 years i believe, 1 year for work then another for the wii release, wikipedia it or something __________________ Everything in this signature except for this text was made by Wiired, he is my creator and almighty.

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