Microsoft Ready For Wii "Graduates"?

T3kNi9e · 01-29-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hal2814

Limit my gaming? So by buying a system that is dominated by the first person shooter I'm not limiting my gaming but by buying a system with a smaller set of very diverse games I am limiting my gaming? I don't think the word "limit" means what you think it means.

Whether you like it or not, a lot of people buying a Wii aren't traditional video game console owners. They don't buy into this "generation" and "console war" crap and don't have the time or inclination to buy more than one video gaming system. They weren't even looking to buy a video game system. They just saw/played/heard about the Wii and decided to get one for themselves or their kids since it was relatively cheap and fun. If the only video game systems out today were the 360 and the PS3, these people wouldn't have bought anything.

Kudos to Microsoft for realizing that these people really do exist and their effort to get those people to buy a Microsoft console, too. Now if they could just get some games together that might appeal to this sort of video game player...

You are what I called a misinformed person. To think Xbox is mainly FPS is way off. It shows you really don't know anything about the 360 outside of ads you see on TV, Internet and what you hear people say. You hear about FPS because the fact is America likes FPS titles. This is why FPS games is a genre that US actually does good in at tournaments.

But you are right about the people who bought the console. But Microsoft is making games for those people. Thats why they made the Arcade console and the "Scene it" bundle. But personally I dont want the 360 to go casual. 360 is a hardcore console. So if you are a hardcore gamer with a Wii, you should compliment the Wii with a 360 so you can get the best of both worlds. Because as much as people may call me a 360 fanboy because I play it more, im still not missing out on anything a Wii gamer has or even a PS3 cuz I have them all.

wezeles · 01-29-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by T3kNi9e

You are what I called a misinformed person. To think Xbox is mainly 360 is way off. It shows you really don't know anything about the 360 outside of ads you see on TV, Internet and what you hear people say. You hear about FPS because the fact is America likes FPS titles. This is why FPS games is a genre that US actually does good in at tournaments.

What people see and hear in adds and by word of mouth thats who you sell to!!
Its' not called misinformed its called the casual gamer... And they are the majority not Fanboys...The only people that know every little detail about each system and what they offer are the "fanboys"

Granted fanboys are great to have rooting for your console but to MS/Sony/Nintendo im sure they would rather loose the small 10% or so of hardcore fans in place of the huge audience of casual gamers that make up there sales...
Because in the end they are the ones that make the investment worth it. The hardcore would barely let them break even in cost...

MS is doing well for being out over 2 years, no worse numbers than ps3 is and thats with RROD, and have really nothing to complain about. They are just trying to pry into the huge casual market more like Nintendo has done very well this round...

I think Sony and MS haven't really noticed in the past that there systems sold mainly to the casual based on the "hardcores" word of mouth of these systems... PS2 sold 120 million copies so far is that all hardcore? no way 100 million units sold because of the ps2's appeal to the mass audience by advertisements and hot titles, or the casual in one way or another...

This Gen just seems to be hitting them harder than normal because Nintendo opened up a new market of Casual gamers that we haven't seen before...
Its not just little kids waiting on christmas consoles and young adults spending extra cash... Your getting entire familys and even the elderly in some cases involved in gaming lol, and people comming back to gaming after being away for years because of the VC and retro games..

Of course they would love to be 2nd place to the Wii, this is video game history sales numbers nothing like this has ever happened before and there is alot of cash going around! More than ever seen before...

Everyone wants in on it even if it means sharing, It should be a good Gen for everyone, although the Winner is fairly clear already... by completely owning the majority of the new casual gamer...

hal2814 · 01-29-2008, 08:10 PM

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You are what I called a misinformed person. To think Xbox is mainly 360 is way off.

Is there something else to "360" that isn't the XBox? I was under the impression that the 360 was the followup console to the original XBox.

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Originally Posted by T3kNi9e

It shows you really don't know anything about the 360 outside of ads you see on TV, Internet and what you hear people say.

So what I know from the XBox is what I hear everyone (including current owners I know) say about the system? If that's misinformation then whose fault is that? How is someone supposed to come away with another view of the system when the info straight from the horse's mouth says otherwise? On a slight tangent, I have yet to see a 360 or PS3 on display that wasn't playing some sort of FPS game.

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You hear about FPS because the fact is America likes FPS titles. This is why FPS games is a genre that US actually does good in at tournaments.

All Americans don't like FPS titles. The genre does pretty well for itself among current video gamers but if you look at the top selling video games, you'll be hard-pressed to find an FPS title. Halo 2 & 3 are both clocking in at around 8 million but that's a pretty small number compared to the likes of The Sims (16 million) or Super Mario 3 (18 million). The biggest things the FPS has going for it are the massive amounts of middleware available for the genre and the willingness of FPS players to play a large number of games derived from the same set of middleware.

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But you are right about the people who bought the console. But Microsoft is making games for those people. Thats why they made the Arcade console and the "Scene it" bundle. But personally I dont want the 360 to go casual. 360 is a hardcore console. So if you are a hardcore gamer with a Wii, you should compliment the Wii with a 360 so you can get the best of both worlds. Because as much as people may call me a 360 fanboy because I play it more, im still not missing out on anything a Wii gamer has or even a PS3 cuz I have them all.

Is the arcade console and the "Scene it" bundle locked away in a cave somewhere? Or more importantly, are they being advertised somewhere where the people who would actually buy them would find them?

Seems to me if you're a "hardcore" gamer, you're complimenting the 360 with the Wii, not the other way around. Out of curiosity, why does it matter if the 360 "go[es] casual?" Seems like the extra people owning the console would be a good thing?

HighFlyer · 01-29-2008, 08:34 PM

Good idea by microsoft

pYRo · 01-29-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sovieto

wow, this is exactly whats not needed. whether you like it or not wii isnt a great "single console" to own unless youre a complete fanboy (and fanboyism for stupid people who like to limit their gaming).

Are you calling me STUPID!? WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!? I just own a wii and not any other console because its all i need, and i just dont think video games are important enough to waste money on another system + all the games to go with it. And i'm not a fanboy either. I just figured that this console would be the best out of the three. And how is it limiting my gaming? That doesn't make sense. And one more thing, I recommend that you actually think before you post. Not that you're stupid or anything.

261311 · 01-29-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pYRo

Are you calling me STUPID!? WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!? I just own a wii and not any other console because its all i need, and i just dont think video games are important enough to waste money on another system + all the games to go with it. And i'm not a fanboy either. I just figured that this console would be the best out of the three. And how is it limiting my gaming? That doesn't make sense. And one more thing, I recommend that you actually think before your post. Not that you're stupid or anything.

*Clears throat*

Tcgnr7992 · 01-29-2008, 10:48 PM

im really suprised about the way microsoft is handling this, i totally agree with everything they said and im glad that they didnt just bash the wii like some people do

pYRo · 01-29-2008, 10:51 PM

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Are you calling me STUPID!? WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!? I just own a wii and not any other console because its all i need, and i just dont think video games are important enough to waste money on another system + all the games to go with it. And i'm not a fanboy either. I just figured that this console would be the best out of the three. And how is it limiting my gaming? That doesn't make sense. And one more thing, I recommend that you actually think before your post. Not that you're stupid or anything.

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*Clears throat*

.............your point is?

Sovieto · 01-29-2008, 11:24 PM

the eejits arguing me post are just that, eejits. YES, you are limiting your gaming by having 1 console, its a FACT. Being a fanboy doesn't help, and @ pyro, you admitted you're a fanboy so your opinion means nothing.

listen to teknige, anyone saying 360 is just FPS then you are phail to the tenth power. I wasn't aware Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, GTA IV, Lost Odyssey, Dead Rising were FPSs. So are you willing to argue that? Or admit you're indeed, ill-informed.

pYRo · 01-29-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sovieto

the eejits arguing me post are just that, eejits. YES, you are limiting your gaming by having 1 console, its a FACT. Being a fanboy doesn't help, and @ pyro, you admitted you're a fanboy so your opinion means nothing.

listen to teknige, anyone saying 360 is just FPS then you are phail to the tenth power. I wasn't aware Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, GTA IV, Lost Odyssey, Dead Rising were FPSs. So are you willing to argue that? Or admit you're indeed, ill-informed.

When did i admit to being a fanboy? Do you think i'm a fanboy just because i have a wii? Well in that case, everyone is a fanboy, according to you. And you still haven't explained why having only a wii limits gaming. Probably because you don't even know what you're talking about.

Sovieto · 01-30-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pYRo

When did i admit to being a fanboy? Do you think i'm a fanboy just because i have a wii? Well in that case, everyone is a fanboy, according to you. And you still haven't explained why having only a wii limits gaming. Probably because you don't even know what you're talking about.

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Are you calling me STUPID!? WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!?

as we see here you claim i'm calling you stupid... (btw, i think im sovieto..)
lets see what post this was in response to though, shall we?

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Originally Posted by Sovieto

wow, this is exactly whats not needed. whether you like it or not wii isnt a great "single console" to own unless youre a complete fanboy (and fanboyism is for stupid people who like to limit their gaming).

hmm, interesting. lets reread that once more.

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Originally Posted by Sovieto

wow, this is exactly whats not needed. whether you like it or not wii isnt a great "single console" to own unless youre a complete fanboy (and fanboyism is for stupid people who like to limit their gaming).

hmm, and back to your post once more...

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Are you calling me STUPID!? WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!?

Ahh, there it is! I rest my case.

pYRo · 01-30-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sovieto

as we see here you claim i'm calling you stupid... (btw, i think im sovieto..)
lets see what post this was in response to though, shall we?

hmm, interesting. lets reread that once more.

hmm, and back to your post once more...

Ahh, there it is! I rest my case.

No, you just assumed that i was a fanboy, and in the process called me stupid. And you don't even know me. People who make assumptions about others they don't even know just goes to show how lowly they really are.

And with that, i'm done talking to you, because it's frustrating to try and communicate with a complete idiot.
Have a nice day.

Damascus · 01-30-2008, 02:31 AM

kinda sounds like Microsoft's leeching off Nintendo.

Y'know, "let Nintendo do that hard work. We just want the money," kinda thing.

ChristmasWii · 01-30-2008, 02:40 AM

I've done it, but that's not saying anything against the Wii. This was clearly going to happen, as Halo is my favorite series. Actually, Wii is kind of a graduation from 360.

hal2814 · 01-30-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sovieto

listen to teknige, anyone saying 360 is just FPS then you are phail to the tenth power. I wasn't aware Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, GTA IV, Lost Odyssey, Dead Rising were FPSs. So are you willing to argue that? Or admit you're indeed, ill-informed.

From the Wikis of the games you provided:
Gears of War -"Gears of War is a tactical third-person shooter video game..."
Mass Effect - "Most main story segments (and many side missions) are geared toward on-foot shooter action."
Too Human - You got me there. Some sort of Diablo-esque RPG game apparently.
GTA IV - "Categories: ... Third-person shooters ... " Granted, that's not the whole game but it is a major part.
Lost Odyssey - An RPG. Not mention of shooters or shooting anywhere.
Dead Rising - "The player controls Frank as he explores the mall, using nearly any available object as a weapon. The player can complete several main and optional missions to earn experience points and gain special abilities." Not a shooter. Sounds a lot like the Blade Runner PC game or Voyeur from a timing perspective but maybe with some beat em up action thrown in?

So half of the examples you gave are 3rd person shooters instead of 1st person. I'm so amazed at the depth of gaming. Two of the others are RPGs. Dead Rising looks interesting and somewhat unique. I'll give you that. So I was misinformed. The 360 is dominated by all shooters except for the good kind.

wezeles · 01-30-2008, 04:41 PM

Beyond what type of games each console "offers," this is reall about how many "casual gamers" are going to buy more than 1 console? I would consider anyone with 2 or more consoles a hardcore gamer in the first place and its not in the majority console owners...

Microsoft knows it gets a good chunk of fan base from the "hardcore fanboys" that they have had since Halo 1.. This may not be the majority of the profit they recieve but they market to them. Thats why everyone associates Xbox with FPS games.
Honestly when Xbox first came out why did everyone buy it? was it just because of adds? I would say a good majority of the "casual" gamers came into the scene because of excitement the "fanboys" were showing about it... "It's got Crazy online play and with some of the Best FPS made in a long time"
Bam they become the number 2 console

This isn't a bad thing its what Microsoft is known for! It's how they have gotten where they have with the Xbox franchise, without it they would have done horribal and been labeled as a Sony rip off... They found there nitch took hold of it and own it!

The thing that "sucks" about Casual Gamers is the fact they do follow word of mouth, popularity, dare i say it the hype of each console. We know all of the big 3 will survive without being number 1 for a Gen or 2, but they try there hardest to stay on top so they can continue to offer us top of the line gaming by getting a good chunck of gaming profit.

There is no shame in wanting to be in 2nd place, this round just happens to be looking better for nintendo. But every system is limited by what they offer and the only way to have a full gaming experience is to own them all. No question about it.

Lets just hope all these new casual gamers that have bought a Wii stick around and do "graduate" and pick up a 360 or ps3 at the least that they stick around and buy a console next Gen, because in the end it bennefits everyone involved with gaming!