the wii can rival the graphics of ps3/360

WiitnessID

This is true if you are a resolution freak yet a good normal map app or shader would have made metroid 3 ridiculously sweet graphically. the one thing that was missing.

wezeles

The Wii is probably "the limit" of how good graphics are ever going to look on an SD or ED t.v., no matter what your playing PS3/Xbox 360/Wii even Xbox or GameCube, they are all gonna look pretty much the same overall on the older style t.v's.

You will only notice the differance really between each specific game, and maybe if you swap out for a really nice set of cables, beyond that there is a limit to what "computer graphics" can be displayed on an older t.v.

But once you plug these into a HDTV though its amazing! So much crisper and cleaner..We pluged Rock Band PS3 into my HDTV and wow computer graphics today are almost to the point with the physics/shadowing in it looks so close to real live video its amazing...

Without an HDTV though its only gonna reach so far on that scale and the t.v. will hold you back. When we plugged PS3 Rockband into the EDTV honestly it looked equal to Wii no better no worse,If it wasn't for lag calibration i would have never changed it at all... Thats not even a top of the line game graphically!

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WiitnessID

ok so you are now talking about tv tech yet that cool endless amount of polygons you believe are there are actually a normal map. If I want to put pores on a model it is really easy to do now and would take about for ever in the past. This tech is not being used almost at all on the Wii. this tech needs a really nice texture resolution since the pixels are actually treated like polygons. Seriously go and pick up UT3 to see what I'm talking about. It's really close to what the developers get of course minus all the goodies!

transform8

if u havent noticed making a video with hd graphics and making a game with hd graphics is 2 different things

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Dal

Umm....but what about Brawl? I thought that had 360 graphics....am I wrong?

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I am sad to say that its not anywhere near it....but it does look good dont get me wrong the characters details are pretty nice take luigi i saw a pic of him today and i was like O_O thats pretty good....

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Dal

Well then, I guess this is the best the wii can do:

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SensesFail

let me throw in my 2 cents.

that video sucks and so do the graphics.

but look at a game like black on the PS2. looks amazing for it's time and it's aged well andl ooks like a low end 360 game. go rent it if you dont beleive me. but thats the only game thats ever even come close to being a crappy low end 360 game. i made a thread back when i first joined with screens and stuff.

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vi3tmix

The whole basis of this thread is just...wrong/incorrect.


The video you linked is a full-motion video, using pre-rendered graphics. It's not a demonstration of the gamecube hardware rendering realtime graphics.

There's a huge difference. Any console can play a movie file, because that's what you linked. Heck, even the Game Boy Advance used a Spider-Man trailer in its title cinematic...but there's a difference between playing a movie file and rendering graphics in real time, on the fly.

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stugots

like the sega CD, it was 16 bit (and the games showed it) but it had movie clips

261311

Same graphical capabilities? Someone is blind.

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Brawl_King

ok ok. Wii graphics aren't HD. I know that. I never said they were. But they can be pretty good. Have you ever played twilight princess on an hdtv? How about Metroid Prime 3? Those games are among the top graphics capability. If not tied for first. And from what I've seen of Brawl, they're about to get squashed.

WiitnessID

Thats all I play on is an HDtv with DPL of course. Like I said before factor 5 will bring the heat. And yes games can still look good even though another systems has better graphics. I mean consoles survived all these years with PC tech crushing it year after year.

Sovieto

wow, so you're saying the top graphical games of the wii are the same as the top graphical games of the gamecube? those games only look good to you because you don't have anything to compare them to, if you owned a 360 or ps3, which i doubt, you should clearly be able to see the differences.

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bubs

I love the wii, but this poster must be on the wacky weed, for starters Wii doesn;t have the same graphics as gamecube its better and the rest i had no idea what he is on about

ShawVAuto

YAY, another graphics thread. I love these actually....

The thing about SMG being N's flagship title and thinking that's the best it could do is both right/wrong. Sure, it is N's flagship title but it can do alot better. It's like saying that since Halo 3 is MS flagship title, they pushed it to the max..... WRONG! It was stated that the 360 in fact is only scratching at the 2nd processor when this thing has 3! Nintendo wouldn't show their aces now. That was just something to show that it can make a pretty picture. Can the graphics get better, will they get better... oooohhhhhh yes. WTF is this Samsung 4GB 65NM Nand flash memory for? This was found inside the Wii. For it's main graphics memory, the Wii uses GDDR3 which is optimal for game usage (360 uses same memory format but WAY more of it). If Nintendo can make my Wii glow blue and add channels to my main menu, I really believe they could update it with an overclock function. I mean, am I the only one that realizes that the Wii's fan barely works because it doesn't have anything to cool yet. Yeah sure, it still won't be as powerful as the others but Nintendo would not leave us hanging. Let's say they bump it up to run at 1.1Ghz? It may not allow you to see sweat glands on the characters but it DEFINITELY improve what the little white box can do right? You can not be serious in thinking that they figured this system, as it is now, would power them through this generation of gaming consoles? This system has SO many hidden things that it's ridiculous as do the others.

kurokaito

That was plain

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WiitnessID

Yeah I love these discussion to yet no one every diggs for info around here? Whats up with that?


Hey your close but take a look at this.

GeForce 7100 GS
Graphics Bus Technology PCI Express
Memory Interface 64-bit
Memory Bandwidth 5.3GB/s
Fill Rate 1.4 Billion pixels/sec
Vertices/Second (Millions) 263
RAMDACs 400MHz

Wii
24 MiB MoSys 1T-SRAM (codenamed "Splash") main system RAM. 324 MHz, 64-bit bus. 2.7 GB/s bandwidth.
3 MiB embedded 1T-SRAM within "Flipper"
Split into 1 MiB texture buffer and 2 MiB frame buffer.
10.4 GB/s texture bandwidth (peak). 7.6 GB/s framebuffer bandwidth (peak). ~6.2 ns latency.

These specs put it just behind a 7100 GS geforce and actually past it in some specs. Although that card is no power house it does really well at 480p. So once you take away the need for HD you start to have extra stuff to play with. HD textures range from 4096 to 512 if you are lucky and more if you are using similar tech as the rage engine and a harddrive. Most GPUs have maxed out what is possible at that resolution seriously why do you think they went HD?

Another thing is the official specs are still up in the air. I heard a number of thing from GDDR ram to all sram... yet if it is Gddr ram what type? another thing is it points to it being sram because of the low clock, sram doesn't need a high clock for crazy bandwidths. It's fun to search for though yet if I ever get a NDA put in front of my face you can forget about me talking....LOL Nintendo has ninjas now!

T3kNi9e

What? Completely false...

The games on PS3/360 look ALOT better than Wii regardless of having a ED or SDTV. You are making it seem like a HDTV is required for good graphics on a 360 or PS3 which is far from it. Having a HDTV just makes everything look more refined because it can handle more pixels.

The reason why Rock Band doesn't look special on PS3 is because Rock Band was not made for graphics at all. Infact if you looked at Rock Band in a graphic sense then Rock Band has horrible graphics. You can't compare Rockband or Guiter Hero 3 from 360/PS3 to Wii and use that as a test of how the graphics differ and you certainly don't need an HDTV to enjoy the PS3/360 graphics.

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ShawVAuto

I have to agree that the Wii's specs were NEVER officially revealed which I think is funny. People always talk about what they do not know. ALL specs on the Wii are rumored, 100% rumored. I think it's funny that Nintendo NEVER once revealed their specs but the other two quickly bragged about their multi-threaded processes, etc. "A quiet company holds the biggest secrets" I say. People should start talking about the Wii once it is in fact revealed.