The 7 Deadly Sins of Voice Chat

vashivihan · 03-10-2008, 09:13 AM

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Until about three months ago, voice chat seemed like a feature used only by over-enthusiastic Ghost Recon players. You know? The ones who plan out their squad movements as if they were exorcising some deep-rooted desire to actually be in the middle of a war.

My perception changed when, at the beginning of the year, I moved across country and found my multiplayer habits changing from a post-pub session of Worms in the front room to the full-blown experience of Xbox Live.

Without some sort of communication, online gaming can make you feel isolated. Playing Team Fortress 2 remotely against people who used to scream and shout right next to you only makes it more obvious that you're sitting on a sofa miles away from the last person you spoke to. That said, I'm over the moon to see that Mario Kart is dropping all forms of online voice chat, and not just because I'm scared of being groomed by a child predator.

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Some things are best left untouched. A Disney flick is never the same once someone tells you their twisted theories on its sexual subtext. And whoever makes those Button Moon NSFW pictures is just wrong.

Mario Kart, for me, falls into similar territory. It's fun, joyful and uplifting to play. But voice chat would only bring a whole host of crass voices that would not only be irritating, they also damage the experience of the game. Look what happened to Halo 3. Don't believe me? Here are the sins of voice chat and how they could ruin Mario Kart on Wii.

Lust

I like women quite a bit, but there's nothing more disruptive to a game than to hear a female voice speak on Xbox Live. It's not their fault of course, but a woman's voice has the power of an electromagnetic pulse on Xbox Live. Cars careen off courses, Spartans stand motionless and footballers forget how to kick a ball, as the voice channel explodes with jittery chat.

Even worse are adolescents whose inexperience communicating with the opposite sex leads to intense bouts of misogyny. After ten minutes of listening to a child rant on about how a woman must be ugly and stupid if she spends her time playing games, we begin to think that a sterilisation program based on gamer scores (the higher yours is...) might not be such a bad idea after all.

Mario Kart is, at it's core, a social game. Back when we were students, our mixed house primarily bonded through intense sessions of Mario Kart 64. Had a kid letched upon our female housemate every time she sat down to play, we doubt she would have joined in. Which would have isolated her, and made fourth place inevitable for one of us.

Gluttony

Those who overindulge themselves on Mario Kart are irritating at the best of times. We've come across a fair few people on the DS that have every track down to a pixel of perfection, and by and large we've hated them all. There are two of those 'types' on the CVG team by the way.

Imagine having to listen to them though, as they point out every single flaw in your driving and every bad habit of your technique. Think about their grating voice when they cross the finish line moments after you start lap three and proceed to give you a running commentary on the mistakes you make on your final lap.

There are people in the world that will spend hours perfecting Mario Kart Wii, and I know that one day I'll play against them and lose. That's fine but we don't want to listen to their smug cries of victory.

Greed

No matter how skilled you are at Mario Kart games, the power-ups work to some extent to randomise the outcome of the races - it's this unpredictability that makes it fun.

But this system can be destroyed completely if players start working together. With voice chat enabled, you could see players forming pacts to help each other rank up.

One player could hang back, getting good items and slowing up the competition while their partner in crime speeds off ahead - a perfect rank-boosting tactic. But with no voice chat, these pacts - between strangers at least - will thankfully be impossible.

Nintendo has included the ability to play split-screen online so you won't fully stop teaming up happening, but if Nintendo knows what it's doing it'll only allow those players to join unranked races. Or else there'll be trouble.

Sloth

There's a limit to how much Mario Kart you can hammer in one session. After an hour or so, enthusiasm starts to fade. First, the losing person begins to accept they're rubbish, which erases the competitiveness. Then, the apathy rubs off on to the other players, and within two tracks you've packed up and moved on.

Sloth-like players, in our book, are the ones who continue to play and win even though they're having no fun. Would we actually want to listening to their monotone drones of non-excitement? No, and that's another reason why no voice in Mario Kart is a good thing. It's bad enough that the internet has given every nine year old a soapbox to stand on, but let's try and keep Mario Kart as pure as possible.

Rage

Of course, the other end of the spectrum is when someone cares too much. Shouts and screams are fine when playing against friends, but we're not too sure the 'banter' in the office at lunchtime would be taken as friendly if we heard it coming from random strangers online.

The F-word will be used. It's a fact. With a well-placed banana, a well-timed lightning strike or just a last-minute blue shell, Mario Kart is a game that would have the Queen swearing like Cartman with Tourette Syndrome.

There are those who vent their rage down the microphone, throwing out insults and verbally abusing everyone who manages to beat them (don't look at us). Hear someone explode once or twice and you'll laugh. But get lambasted for fifteen minutes and the fun would soon stop. Maybe Nintendo's been playing Halo 3 and thought better of including voice chat?

Envy

Even without voice chat, we're expecting to feel some repercussions of our obvious Mario Kart greatness when we play online. They'll always be the odd person who takes things to heart, does a 180' on the starting line of the next race and spends the track just hunting us down.

People are very protective over their perceived greatness of Mario Kart, especially when they encounter someone who is actually better than them. We've seen racers completely neglect the other players and the race itself, just to ensure their nemesis doesn't beat them.

Which is all good fun when it's a competitive friend, but anonymous envy online is a little more insidious. Voice would only increase the barrage of sarcastic comments towards one individual to personal and abusive levels. Like Halo.

We'd prefer envious players to direct their feelings at our little kart on their own screen and not directly at us. The idea of a stranger's voice pouring bile out of our speakers directed straight at us would be like having a disembodied stalker right in our living room.

Pride

And lastly, the main sin of Mario Kart. Getting good at Mario Kart brings on a sense of pride. Being the best in a room full of competitors tends to bring out the worst in people. And if it's not us, we really don't want to hear about it.

When you're playing offline or with friends, you know exactly how far the smack talk can go. Online and with strangers though, there's no boundaries. A tirade of snide, sarcastic comments is sure enough to drive you straight from the game. At least without voice-chat, you can't hear them over-gloating. Or they can't hear you...

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gidget · 03-10-2008, 09:28 AM

Retitle this to the 7 deadly sins of forum chat

then sticky this post

Monsteroids · 03-10-2008, 09:55 AM

Dumb. This guy has got it all wrong.

Wii_BrEnDo2007 · 03-10-2008, 11:05 AM

i agree voice chat is soo overrated anyway

Napalmbrain · 03-10-2008, 11:23 AM

I'm afraid I have to disagree with that article. Think about it: playing with other people is basically the whole point of Mario Kart. Getting some friends around, having a laugh, all loads of fun. Playing online could be like that, but without voice chat it won't be as fun or interesting.

Yeah, there'd inevitably be a bit of swearing (I'll admit I can sometimes be quite foul-mouthed), but this is a Nintendo game. It's never gonna reach the levels you see on say, Halo 3 or something. Which reminds me, Xbox Live has a "family zone" where you're not allowed to swear- why not have something like that for the more easily offended?

manred · 03-10-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Napalmbrain

I'm afraid I have to disagree with that article. Think about it: playing with other people is basically the whole point of Mario Kart. Getting some friends around, having a laugh, all loads of fun. Playing online could be like that, but without voice chat it won't be as fun or interesting.

Yeah, there'd inevitably be a bit of swearing (I'll admit I can sometimes be quite foul-mouthed), but this is a Nintendo game. It's never gonna reach the levels you see on say, Halo 3 or something. Which reminds me, Xbox Live has a "family zone" where you're not allowed to swear- why not have something like that for the more easily offended?

I agree with you all the way.

They could make different zones for voice chats, but they choose not to.

craigkillercraig · 03-10-2008, 12:18 PM

I think there should be voice chat on all online games. If you cant handle it, then dont use it.

jimbo · 03-10-2008, 03:01 PM

lol, this guy sounds like a nerdy person, who dosnt get out much.

a woman's vioce makes the world stop ffs.

ill agree with 1 or 2 but voice chat appeals to the more than it doesnt

zero7980 · 03-10-2008, 04:00 PM

I personally have no desire to use voice chat for Mario Kart. However, if they had included it, no one would force me to use it.

It might be neat when I played with RL friends over the net, though...

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Fillieto · 03-10-2008, 04:31 PM

For each 7 points he made, theres one answer:

You can CHOOSE weather to have your earphones in or not. There will be a mute option....and yes, thats right, it wont be stuck to your ear with super glue. If it gets annying then take it off or mute it. Simple.

But when playing against a mate, its a must.

Wiimoto · 03-10-2008, 04:38 PM

I agree people will be total dicks on the voice chat but who cares, it could be a function that you can turn off so if you dun like it then dont use it.

Carts · 03-10-2008, 04:52 PM

Its sort-of true but wrong at the same time. The example of Halo isnt that bad, if there is a guy you dont wanna hear you just press back, go to his name and press x to mute. That takes maybe 3 - 5 seconds. Or the could just put on option on the online settings for no voice chat. So they should put it for the people that want it, and the people that dont can just use a setting that will not let them hear or talk to anyone.

hencam[uk] · 03-11-2008, 07:25 AM

What I don't understand is Nintendo already have parental controls, so it would be simple for them to enable voice chat unless you have the parental controls enabled.

That way the kids won't hear naughty language, and the adults can have some fun - isn't that what the Wii's all about anyway, a fun experience for all?

It's a bit ridiculous that they've dumbed it down to the lowest common denominator, and I'm not just talking about voice chat in Mario kart, if it's not in this game then can you see them ever offering it?

Both Sony and MS know the value of voice chat, and when the PS3 offers it as standard in all games with the introduction of Firmware 2.4, then they'll have even more of a 'plus' against the Wii with many gamers - I think we'll start to see the Wii's lead decrease then.

If Nintendo could add a voice chat system (even one based on Skype would be amazing) with proper parental controls then they'd be onto a winner - I can't understand why they haven't already - even the DS offered it!

But I still love my Wii...

vashivihan · 03-11-2008, 07:31 AM

im all up for voice chat. its awesome. ninty got their ass kicked when a casual game called girls diary got full real time voice chat.

link1305 · 03-11-2008, 04:38 PM

Just about every online PC game for the past 5 years has had voice chat, and being primarily a PC gamer, I just can't understand why they aren't putting it in any of there games (at this point). I agree that there are circumstances that can make it annoying, but there are *always* 2 solutions:

1. Don't get a mic
2a Make it so you can disable it entirely
2b Make it so you can selectively "mute" annoying people

These should not be hard to implement. Come on Nintendo, get with it.

TheAnswerI · 03-12-2008, 08:55 AM

I would absolutely love it if Nintendo would incorporate voice chat with the Wii. I think it adds a whole new dimension to online gaming.

Axl Rose · 03-12-2008, 08:57 AM

What sucks about Voice Chat. If your voice hasn't fully developed you sound like a two-year old girl.

TheAnswerI · 03-12-2008, 10:26 AM

Well some of us are girls...

toomstone · 03-12-2008, 03:21 PM

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Well some of us are girls...

haha well i feel sorry for you do you actuly think ur life has a purpose? bahhha

TheAnswerI · 03-12-2008, 04:37 PM

Yes it does, actually. Does yours?

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zero7980 WiiChat Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 26 Friends: 0	I personally have no desire to use voice chat for Mario Kart. However, if they had included it, no one would force me to use it. It might be neat when I played with RL friends over the net, though... 0 __________________ MSC: 305065 529497

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Fillieto WiiChat Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 95 Friends: 0	For each 7 points he made, theres one answer: You can CHOOSE weather to have your earphones in or not. There will be a mute option....and yes, thats right, it wont be stuck to your ear with super glue. If it gets annying then take it off or mute it. Simple. But when playing against a mate, its a must. __________________ MOH:H2 = Killer12345 Add me . www.theplanetx.com

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Carts WiiChat Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 28 Friends: 0	Its sort-of true but wrong at the same time. The example of Halo isnt that bad, if there is a guy you dont wanna hear you just press back, go to his name and press x to mute. That takes maybe 3 - 5 seconds. Or the could just put on option on the online settings for no voice chat. So they should put it for the people that want it, and the people that dont can just use a setting that will not let them hear or talk to anyone.

03-11-2008, 07:25 AM	#13
hencam[uk] www.hencam.co.uk Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 74 Friends: 0	What I don't understand is Nintendo already have parental controls, so it would be simple for them to enable voice chat unless you have the parental controls enabled. That way the kids won't hear naughty language, and the adults can have some fun - isn't that what the Wii's all about anyway, a fun experience for all? It's a bit ridiculous that they've dumbed it down to the lowest common denominator, and I'm not just talking about voice chat in Mario kart, if it's not in this game then can you see them ever offering it? Both Sony and MS know the value of voice chat, and when the PS3 offers it as standard in all games with the introduction of Firmware 2.4, then they'll have even more of a 'plus' against the Wii with many gamers - I think we'll start to see the Wii's lead decrease then. If Nintendo could add a voice chat system (even one based on Skype would be amazing) with proper parental controls then they'd be onto a winner - I can't understand why they haven't already - even the DS offered it! But I still love my Wii...

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vashivihan Let There Be Rock Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: canada Posts: 1,774 Friends: 16 8799-9801-1544-7718	im all up for voice chat. its awesome. ninty got their ass kicked when a casual game called girls diary got full real time voice chat. __________________ Call of Duty FC : 3480 6196 6904 Onslaught FC : 3180 1649 9648 The Conduit - 1891 9137 3932 ( Mr Vihang)

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link1305 When will MKT get here? Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 36 Friends: 0 8485-7928-2230-8792	Just about every online PC game for the past 5 years has had voice chat, and being primarily a PC gamer, I just can't understand why they aren't putting it in any of there games (at this point). I agree that there are circumstances that can make it annoying, but there are always 2 solutions: 1. Don't get a mic 2a Make it so you can disable it entirely 2b Make it so you can selectively "mute" annoying people These should not be hard to implement. Come on Nintendo, get with it.

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