The next Nintendo Console?

ryanyoyoyo · 06-07-2008, 03:33 AM

nintindo 3000

AbSoluTc · 06-09-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wezeles

I did look on amazon,bestbuy, even walmart and just about any other site/store that sells blu-ray players and the only ones less than 350 is a refurbed or used unit, look into it more buddy there is no such thing as a new blu-ray player for 250 or less or you would have posted it.

Based on the popularity of DVD vs. the poularity of Blu-ray not to mention inflation it will be some time before you see a 99 dollar price tag if ever on a new unit. It will most likely be obsolete by the time it reaches that range.
Specially now that t.v. seems to have made the jump more into the computer realm where its improved as quickly as they get it out. A new form of HD is already lined up to be released in 2015 by the ATSC, look it up 2160p will become a supported standard at that time making any current blu-ray tech "obsolete". Not to mention the fact that physical media is quickly getting replaced with downloadable content every day for a fration of the price on video gaming system, cable,satelite boxes, home media computers ect.
Don't be suprised if the next gaming consoles and HD players are more like a DVR with just a big hard drive and video card with most your updates done online. We are already headed in this direction.

Blu-ray has won the HDDVD war, but its still losing the consumer battle with sales numbers in the same range as Beta-Max. A small percent of people have HDTV still, and even fewer have some type of HDDVD player to go with it.

It honestly is just something for people to use to fill space on their fancy HDTV's because very few media outlets are 100% HD.
People are quickly finding out HD is not a forced standard for the 2009 DTV switch, it is simply a format that can be supported by this switch and it will take a good 10-15 years before its supported 100% by all media outlets so untill that time it is simply struggling for a chunk of the market share not dominating it like DVD had the possability too. Even major t.v. stations don't have all HD channels I know my local fox/abc/nbc has one HD and then a few other channels tacked on for the DTV switch.

There are many many factors to figure in for the success of Blu-ray and it has too much going agenst it to ever have the same type of sucess that standard DVD has, and it's in part thier own fault for constant improvement of the technology.

Your sadly mis informed.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10088473

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-P14...3028316&sr=8-1

1 year ago - I bought my PS3 for $599. It was the cheapest BD player out. Next cheapest was $999.00.

1 year later - I bought my second PS3 for $399.

Again, 1 year later, they are sub 300. If you include the 100 dollar gift card from Wal-Mart - sub 200.

Any other questions?

Blu-Ray has won the HD format war. Yes. Blu-Ray sales have INCREASED and will continue to do so. JUST LIKE dvd when it was new - it took some adoption time. Any new tech takes time to adopt.

Downloadable HD content - is a JOKE. It will never happen. It's a niche market. If you think it will - you need a reality check. Downloadable videos is happening, but the quality is crap compared to HD.

Do you prefer a Hard Copy 50 gig disc or a digital copy 50 gig file that you store on a hard drive that will one day fail. Granted you also forget that just as many people that are not adopting HD right now are the same amount of people that still don't use HIGH SPEED INTERNET. Also forget that 50 gig movie files take up LOTS of space. 6 movies and you have a 300 gig hard drive filled already. So 12 movies and you have 600 gigs filled. Not to mention the power needed for the drives.

Why not just spend 20 bux on a disc. Will never need power to store it, the drive won't fail. You can have it in had and take it where ever you want. HARD COPY. Gotta love it.

I have been a Blu-Ray supporter for a while now. I have over 150 films and 2 PS3's and my Wii. I love the quality of sound and video. It can NOT be beat. Up converted DVD's don't hold a glimmer of hope to a BD movie. NONE. Trust me, I watch them. Crap.

Why are up converting dvd players selling so fast? Well, they are taking the place of standard dvd players and who sells these things? Best Buy employees and the like. You know, the zit faced teens that don't know the difference between a fork and spoon? Yeah, them.

Adoption takes time. It does not happen over night. You also need to remember, this is not 10 years ago. This is now. Technologies pace has quadrupled over the years. What took 10 years to adopt then, may only take 3 now. This time next year - blu-ray will own 25%-40% of the market share. Dvd sales have slumped and will continue only to fall.

Please, get your facts correct before making generalized statements.

Thanks

Zenoguy · 06-09-2008, 06:26 PM

Nintendo On would be cool...http://youtube.com/watch?v=zX2smM87r14

btg · 06-10-2008, 12:40 PM

if you downloaded HD content then couldnt you just burn it to your own $5 disc?? I'm sure demand would drive the cost of blank bluray discs down over time.

hornjt · 06-14-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbz911

i know the next console
i just cant say

WHY NOT?

xXSlayerXx · 06-14-2008, 09:58 PM

Better online and more grown up games. Better graphics and controls as well.

Kamikaze · 06-14-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by xXSlayerXx

Better online and more grown up games. Better graphics and controls as well.

This is Nintendo's first system dedicated to online gaming (nix out Mario Kart Double Dash and Phantasy Star on the Gamecube.). As for more "grown up" games, that's quite a funny statement you made. So you wish to play "Let's pay taxes" rated M for language and alcohol use, as well as "You now have STDs from that old hooker" rated A for Ass. Enough with the cheesy punchlines though. You must not really know much about Nintendo, nor the demographic they try and attract (in which they're doing very successfully right now.). They focus on games for all ages, such as the Mario franchise as a prime example. Young and old enjoy playing those games, so what's so wrong with it? Just because you don't hear the occasional orgasm or swear word doesn't mean it's great. Legend of Zelda isn't really the typical "kid" game as it revolves around intense puzzle solving and strategy. You should know that already since you're on this message board. As for the graphics, of course with every new innovation the graphics will be updated. Just don't expect them to be as powerful as Sony's or Microsoft's. And as for controls, Nintendo is always innovative with it. Without Nintendo, Sony wouldn't have the Six Axis and Microsoft wouldn't be coming out with a motion sensed controller. So stop thinking that they're complete **** ups just because they don't appeal to you.

xXSlayerXx · 06-14-2008, 10:41 PM

^ I know a lot about Nintendo. They choose originality over popularity any day. Still, they release manhunt. Stuff like that.

Kamikaze · 06-14-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xXSlayerXx

^ I know a lot about Nintendo. They choose originality over popularity any day. Still, they release manhunt. Stuff like that.

And the originality has been working, so what's with the disgust? If you want traditional, you can stick to Sony or Microsoft.

wezeles · 06-15-2008, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AbSoluTc

Your sadly mis informed.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10088473

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BD-P14...3028316&sr=8-1

1 year ago - I bought my PS3 for $599. It was the cheapest BD player out. Next cheapest was $999.00.

1 year later - I bought my second PS3 for $399.

Again, 1 year later, they are sub 300. If you include the 100 dollar gift card from Wal-Mart - sub 200.

Any other questions?

Blu-Ray has won the HD format war. Yes. Blu-Ray sales have INCREASED and will continue to do so. JUST LIKE dvd when it was new - it took some adoption time. Any new tech takes time to adopt.

Downloadable HD content - is a JOKE. It will never happen. It's a niche market. If you think it will - you need a reality check. Downloadable videos is happening, but the quality is crap compared to HD.

Do you prefer a Hard Copy 50 gig disc or a digital copy 50 gig file that you store on a hard drive that will one day fail. Granted you also forget that just as many people that are not adopting HD right now are the same amount of people that still don't use HIGH SPEED INTERNET. Also forget that 50 gig movie files take up LOTS of space. 6 movies and you have a 300 gig hard drive filled already. So 12 movies and you have 600 gigs filled. Not to mention the power needed for the drives.

Why not just spend 20 bux on a disc. Will never need power to store it, the drive won't fail. You can have it in had and take it where ever you want. HARD COPY. Gotta love it.

I have been a Blu-Ray supporter for a while now. I have over 150 films and 2 PS3's and my Wii. I love the quality of sound and video. It can NOT be beat. Up converted DVD's don't hold a glimmer of hope to a BD movie. NONE. Trust me, I watch them. Crap.

Why are up converting dvd players selling so fast? Well, they are taking the place of standard dvd players and who sells these things? Best Buy employees and the like. You know, the zit faced teens that don't know the difference between a fork and spoon? Yeah, them.

Adoption takes time. It does not happen over night. You also need to remember, this is not 10 years ago. This is now. Technologies pace has quadrupled over the years. What took 10 years to adopt then, may only take 3 now. This time next year - blu-ray will own 25%-40% of the market share. Dvd sales have slumped and will continue only to fall.

Please, get your facts correct before making generalized statements.

Thanks

lol your a special kind of moron arn't you?

First off rebuting a post I made over 3 months ago and still not able to shut it down makes you look retarded. If you consider a 298 dollar blu-ray player less than 250 dollars just because wall-mart "the cheepest of them all" gives limited 100 dollar gift cards only for purchases online, that still doesn't work sorrry. You cannot simply go out with 250 dollars in hand and buy a brand new Blu-ray player even today. Unless you count an extra 100 dollars of wall-mart crap as being 100 less the price. "and no you can't use it twards the purchase"

Second do you even have a clue what is offered for HD downloadable content?
There are now over half a dozen sites that sell a range of 720i to 1080p "mostly 1080" movies for download for a fraction of the price of blu-ray.

Not to mention all the downloadable content from almost every major satelite and cable provider.
Based on current sales numbers Less than 10% of HD owners have some type of HD DVD player where as over 50% have some type of HD service provided to them through the cable or satelite companys including some type of DLC or a DVR service supporting HD with much more planned for the future for this market.

DVD boomed when it came out it was the hot ticket almost everyone could hook it up to there t.v. and improve the movie experience, where as HD dvd is limted to only HD TV owners "still less than 35% of american homes currently and less than 10% of homes worldwide" so obviously it will take a very long time to catch on because first people need the t.v's before they can even bother with the players. Which arn't selling at nearly the same rate because of this.

Now since Upconverting DVD players hit the market they have been outselling Blu-ray more than 10 to 1 why?, because people would much rather upconvert movies they already own than to pay twice as much for a movie they already own.
One thing you have to understand about the entertainemnt industry, the majority of people don't care about quality that has been seen time and time again, I even had a class covering formants and quality for my television production major. They want cheep and convienient. Just because your a big Blu-ray fan doesn't magically make you right lol

I go by real world numbers and based on how quick DLC and DVR is catching on, tied with the pace people are getting HD tv's and the time expected for the next format of HDTV to come out its pretty obvious at best they might break even before they have to once again change the players to meet the standards, but it will never be the next DVD!

Now my point was not that Blu-ray isn't great quality, I've had it hooked up to my t.v. many times and its amazing! My point is it will never reach the level of DVD, never. It will be obsolete by then and physical media is dieing out more and more every day.
Look at it this way, how many people even buy music CD's anymore? Mp3's have only been on the market a few years and it's already dominating because of price and convience. Same thing will happen with every form of Media, analyst have said it, heads of the industry have said it, anyone who can take a good overall look at the entertainment industry can see it, it is plain as day.

Don't come on here sprouting fanboy rubbish, because I'm not flaming how "totally awsome" you think you blu-ray is I'm just saying it isn't going to last or ever be in the lead as a format, it is the betamax of our generation, but don't feel bad because betamax is still the best tape quality film you can get, I still use it for alot of my filming

But when it comes to the digital age it's all the same on a disk that can get scratched or a hard drive that can get erased, there is no physicall differance in the quality simply the storage device.

Beyond that lets get back on topic, this isn't about blu-ray it's about the next Nitnendo console. I think the chances of it supporting blu-ray are very slim to say the least for that part of the argument. Nintnedo would probably make thier own format before jumping into bed with a Sony idea, Specially as an excuse to up their own piracy protection that much more.

CantGetAWii · 06-15-2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kamikaze

This is Nintendo's first system dedicated to online gaming (nix out Mario Kart Double Dash and Phantasy Star on the Gamecube.). As for more "grown up" games, that's quite a funny statement you made. So you wish to play "Let's pay taxes" rated M for language and alcohol use, as well as "You now have STDs from that old hooker" rated A for Ass. Enough with the cheesy punchlines though. You must not really know much about Nintendo, nor the demographic they try and attract (in which they're doing very successfully right now.). They focus on games for all ages, such as the Mario franchise as a prime example. Young and old enjoy playing those games, so what's so wrong with it? Just because you don't hear the occasional orgasm or swear word doesn't mean it's great. Legend of Zelda isn't really the typical "kid" game as it revolves around intense puzzle solving and strategy. You should know that already since you're on this message board. As for the graphics, of course with every new innovation the graphics will be updated. Just don't expect them to be as powerful as Sony's or Microsoft's. And as for controls, Nintendo is always innovative with it. Without Nintendo, Sony wouldn't have the Six Axis and Microsoft wouldn't be coming out with a motion sensed controller. So stop thinking that they're complete **** ups just because they don't appeal to you.

Umm Mario Kart DD did not have online play, there was only two games with online play for GameCube and they were Phantasy Star I and II. And Slayer was just saying he wanted improvements in those areas and didn't say the console didn't appeal to him now.

I still think this is how it will go down for the Wii next generation and perhaps the other consoles:

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Thats what I said the first time around, but I will add more to it. Wiimote returns but with more/improved motion control. There will be a new way to play (there always is with Nintendo) and this time around it will really feel like your in the game playing. It will have great visuals (much like the 360/Ps3, don't expect the next gen systems for Microsoft and Sony to have very improved visuals as they will only improve slightly) and will support HD/Blu-Ray as HD becomes more common in homes (which it will in 4-5 years time).

I expect the new console to be named the "Revolution" (originally intended) or Wii 2. Since all the next gen systems will be more around the same visual wise next time (not exactly spot on but much closer than this time around) the company with the biggest innovations will come out on top and knowing Nintendo that could be their console being on top again.

sprinter · 06-15-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CantGetAWii

And the next Nintendo console will have HD/Blu-Ray, the reason they don't now may be cost yes but its also because HD is not a common thing in all households so they didn't feel the need to work with that with the Wii. 5 years down the road it will be more common so integration of one of those will be used.

I can't agree with your logic on this. If what you say is true, why does the Wii not currently have a DVD player? I mean even the Xbox and PS2 of last generation had those, and yet here we are new system, still no standard DVD playback... something simple, due to the fact that the drives are DVD-ROM.

I'd say the DVD was pretty well established when the Wii was being designed, more so than the Blu-Ray drive is likely to be when the next Nintendo console is designed and built...

I'm fine with that really, it keeps the prices down. I want a game console to play games...

CantGetAWii · 06-15-2008, 04:08 AM

Well even next generation Blu-Ray can still be considered new, its still not a mainstream thing currently but it should be in 3-4 years. I'm not saying it will be Blu-Ray exactly but Nintendo should have something along those lines.

The reason DVD was not included is because too many people have too many of just the standard players and that with the combination of Blu-Ray not a mainstream thing yet Nintendo decided against DVD support. Once Blu-Ray becomes the main-stay of home DVD's expect Nintendo to get involved with it.

sprinter · 06-15-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CantGetAWii

Well even next generation Blu-Ray can still be considered new, its still not a mainstream thing currently but it should be in 3-4 years. I'm not saying it will be Blu-Ray exactly but Nintendo should have something along those lines.

The reason DVD was not included is because too many people have too many of just the standard players and that with the combination of Blu-Ray not a mainstream thing yet Nintendo decided against DVD support. Once Blu-Ray becomes the main-stay of home DVD's expect Nintendo to get involved with it.

So they skipped on DVD because it's too mainstream, too many people have it, and not enough own Blu yet this time... Sooooo next time when Blu is mainstream it will be included? Still not making sense to me...

But I will say I agree with some of the earlier posts, I don't think Blu will be the next thing... regardless of whether it won the format war, and how it's doing thus far. I already know too many people that own HDTVs and have an upconverting DVD player, and are perfectly content with it. Myself included. History has shown time and time again, it's not always what's best, but in almost every case, it's what's cheapest that wins in the end...

We now live in a Wal-Mart world... Yes they sell Blu-Ray players, and some shoppers will buy them. But I think the majority will look at an upconverted DVD, and think damn that's good enough. Why spend more money on another new player, and then buy all the movies over on Blu-Ray, that they've just been buying on DVD to replace VHS...

VHS was out in the mainstream for close to 15 years... DVD has been truly mainstrem for about 5 now... Blu-Ray is too soon. There are too many movies. Consumers don't want a movie library on multiple formats. It's too soon to start replacing everything they've been buying to replace what they had before...

DVD ultimately may be where the majority of consumers stop period, and say this is good enough. From the price/performance point of view.

CantGetAWii · 06-15-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sprinter

So they skipped on DVD because it's too mainstream, too many people have it, and not enough own Blu yet this time... Sooooo next time when Blu is mainstream it will be included? Still not making sense to me...

But I will say I agree with some of the earlier posts, I don't think Blu will be the next thing... regardless of whether it won the format war, and how it's doing thus far. I already know too many people that own HDTVs and have an upconverting DVD player, and are perfectly content with it. Myself included. History has shown time and time again, it's not always what's best, but in almost every case, it's what's cheapest that wins in the end...

We now live in a Wal-Mart world... Yes they sell Blu-Ray players, and some shoppers will buy them. But I think the majority will look at an upconverted DVD, and think damn that's good enough. Why spend more money on another new player, and then buy all the movies over on Blu-Ray, that they've just been buying on DVD to replace VHS...

VHS was out in the mainstream for close to 15 years... DVD has been truly mainstrem for about 5 now... Blu-Ray is too soon. There are too many movies. Consumers don't want a movie library on multiple formats. It's too soon to start replacing everything they've been buying to replace what they had before...

DVD ultimately may be where the majority of consumers stop period, and say this is good enough. From the price/performance point of view.

All I meant with that comment was they would want to get involved with something newer than DVD, maybe even think of their own Movie thing next gen who knows. Blu-Ray will still not be in all households but its not as new or as much as a financial risk as it would have been this time around had Nintendo introduced it.

Nintendo will need to have some better hardware inside, the visuals need to be sharper and they need to support Movies of some Magnitude if they plan on having a more powerful system. This way they can make discs that hold more stuff etc. Although they do tend to do well with Visuals, I mean they got it right with the GameCube because that was one of the better looking systems last gen so I have faith they can do the same next time around. Not mind blowing visuals, but definitely 4-5 steps higher than what it is now.

sprinter · 06-15-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CantGetAWii

All I meant with that comment was they would want to get involved with something newer than DVD, maybe even think of their own Movie thing next gen who knows. Blu-Ray will still not be in all households but its not as new or as much as a financial risk as it would have been this time around had Nintendo introduced it.

Nintendo will need to have some better hardware inside, the visuals need to be sharper and they need to support Movies of some Magnitude if they plan on having a more powerful system. This way they can make discs that hold more stuff etc. Although they do tend to do well with Visuals, I mean they got it right with the GameCube because that was one of the better looking systems last gen so I have faith they can do the same next time around. Not mind blowing visuals, but definitely 4-5 steps higher than what it is now.

OK got ya. But if they are to do their own movie thing, I'd have to beleive it would be simply used for playing games. I mean solely for support of in game video footage etc... HD-DVD couldn't stand up to Blu-Ray, and it was obvious consumers and movie companies as well wanted one to die quickly. A single movie format is definitely better for the consumer market.